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Advaita Vedanta at its finest

taiyakitaiyaki Veteran
edited May 2011 in Faith & Religion


I'd love to hear your opinions on this video. Interesting? or not useful?

Thank you.

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  • Nothing new there. Self/ego arises from identification with form, feelings, perceptions, mental formations and consciousness (5 clinging aggregates).

    The method of enquiry into "Who am I?" is somewhat different from Buddhist meditation but the end point is similar ie. realisation of the empty nature of the ego ("I" don't know)
  • GuiGui Veteran
    Zen Master Seung Sahn said to always keep don't know mind. I am bookmarking this video.
  • taiyakitaiyaki Veteran
    not knowing mind is the same as buddha's see clearly.

    when we don't know then we can embody the infinite potentiality. out of seeing clearly we realize wisdom or rather wisdom manifests through concepts or compassionate action.

    if we are holding onto concepts then we live in ignorance. ignorance is not, not knowing. ignorance is assumption, interpretation, dualistic thinking, and beliefs. it is because we cling to what we "think" we know, which prevents us from seeing what is. from not knowing we reach the neutral and from the neutral we can see clearly without thinking (our conditioned filters). thus a realization can occur when even we drop the not knowing, for the not knowing becomes an object. if we drop one thing, we must drop the dropping of the one thing as well.

    as seung sahn always says go straight.
  • Yeah Ramanamaharishi is one of my favorite Advaitins.

    I think the only issue I have with the approach is the tendency to reify the experience of ego transcendence as a supreme source of all beings, as if it had a will of it's own separate from the phenomenal world.

    He's really just talking about the neti-neti process as exposed in the Upanishads.

    But, Advaitin's have the tendency to make the formless experience beyond all forms an ultimate Self of all.

    It's true that everything has the nature of emptiness and inter-dependency, but so does the experience of seeing this directly, so this too is not a Self. Though, it can be called a self in the sense that this insight is the source of a Buddhas expressions, and this insight is permanent as well as flexible. Though Ramana had the experience of heart/mind essence, he in my opinion reifies it too much. Though, one never knows how a person really internalizes a concept? Especially someone that high on the totem pole :) hehehe! But, according to traditional Buddhism, this only leads to long lived bliss realms or formless bliss realms after the death of the body, because you are clinging to this ideation of an eternal, self standing subject behind all phenomena, experienced as the "I AM" as free from all things and making it a Self essence, thus emptiness is not really realized in the Buddhas sense of the term. This guy is more talking about spaciousness, or the void, a formless jhana.

    It's not quite Buddhahood. It's what Nagarjuna said is the summit of Samsara, but not the path to Buddhahood. Nagarjuna also said that if there is something not empty, that too should be emptied. Talking about the experience of freedom from phenomena but attachment to this experience as proof of an ultimate Self existence behind all things. That too should be emptied.
  • taiyakitaiyaki Veteran
    The great thing about the "I AM" experience is that when you get really sincere and honest you realize that "I AM" not is more
    accurate. I do see a lot of Advaitins asserting that consciousness is Self, but only as a method towards having a pure consciousness experience. Consciousness just is, as no one can "own" it or "claim" it to be you as it is prior to the mental objects.

    I think from here one can if they are honest and open go into dependent origination.

    i suppose my question is: is dependent origination an understanding of the non dual experience or is it a realization that occurs after the non dual awakening.

    is it only conditioning myself to see in such a way or should i naturally see such truth as i interpret the non dual.

    i suppose both can help lol.
  • GuiGui Veteran
    @taiyaki Could you provide a brief definition of dependent origination? Thanks
  • taiyakitaiyaki Veteran
    everything lacks essence. essence meaning self existence, independent, single, permanent nature.
    the subject exists in relation to the object. the consciousness only exist in relation to body and mind. take one out and you don't have the process. everything is interdependent.

    emptiness = interdependent.

    it is not that things don't exist, they do but as constantly changing, existing phenomena.

    something like that <3
  • GuiGui Veteran
    Thanks. Kinda reminds me of Sartre in a way. Not that I ever fully understood existentialism either. :)
  • When advaitan's experience non duality, they realise that all is mind, and so start believing that they are the only one's here, and everything else is dreamed.
    Because buddhist's realise the empty nature of mind, our experience is different in that there is no mind, and "we" are essentially the sum total of experience in the present moment.
  • I'd love to hear your opinions on this video. Interesting? or not useful? Thank you.
    Boring. Mostly, useless, apart from the last 30 seconds

    The speaker is trying to hard to convince others they should pursue 'freedom'. This is supermarket/department store religion, selling "glittering" things. The path arises from perceiving suffering & aspiring to be free from it (rather than chasing glittering things in the department store). The mind must have something that desparately drives it to drop the ego. Plus, there is no such thing as "Self" realisation, with a capital "S". Our obsessions with these kinds of teachings shows how distant we are from Buddha-Dhamma :-/
  • DhammaDhatuDhammaDhatu Veteran
    edited July 2011
    Because buddhist's realise the empty nature of mind, our experience is different in that there is no mind...
    Sure...there is no mind...there is no seeing, no hearing, no sensation, etc... :eek2: :screwy:
  • JeffreyJeffrey Veteran
    edited July 2011
    Vajraheart, does this speaker state that the self is not empty? Negating is also a form of clinging. If the buddha qualities do not emerge then there is some kind of clinging either way. Prapancha. If they do emerge then all is well. This settles the issue without resorting to ideology quite nicely. Its a matter for the individual to handle. When you are not enlightened you practice and question. You don't believe an ideology because it is correct, you just practice and realize.
  • Thanks. Kinda reminds me of Sartre in a way. Not that I ever fully understood existentialism either. :)
    From this, that arises.
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