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federica said:Hang on... knitwitch has ordered her own copy, but it might take a couple of days.....
Jerbear said:I will have to pass on this one. I want to finish TNH's book and read a few others. Some for growth and some for fun, which is growth for me.
zenmonk_genryu said:Not necessarily.
zenmonk_genryu said:It's one thing to be honest and state that one doesn't know what happens after death, or that most people don't know, quite another to assume that nobody else does though.
YogaMama;18650 said:I used to be terrified as well. I was Christian for a while, and wasn't afraid of dying because I thought there was some sort of "heaven" that I would end up in, along with all of the people I loved. Now I don't think that is true anymore. It was really hard for me for a while once I realized that once I die, that is probably just the end for me. But the more I study Buddhism, the more comfortable I become with death and I realize how important it is to make every day count NOW. You are still very young - 40 is not old!! :)
Summeroflove85;75758 said:Hey Jerry, Something you said earlier in this thread really set me thinking, mainly because of the language you used.'it hit me that since I know longer believed in an afterlife, death was permanent'. And yet the Buddha taught a doctrine of impermanence, so how do we square such a view with the seemingly unbreakable law of death? I suppose one answer is what you might call 'the Walt Whitman' solution. Whitman in his poem Song of Myself wrote:What do you think has become of the young and old men?And what do you think has become of the women and children?They are alive and well somewhere,The smallest sprout shows there is really no death,And if ever there was it led forward life, and does not wait at the end to arrest it,And ceas'd the moment life appear'd.All goes onward and outward, nothing collapses In this way we see impermanence acting in the same way as traditional methods of consolation. Of course the Buddha's doctrine of impermanence could go further than Whitman. Maybe death is also at the mercy of the same conditional laws of change inherent in the rest of creation. Perhaps there is a place where the conditionals of life/death, being/non-being pass away and there is just an eternally conscious, but neutrally serene 'now'. This is probably one of the 'heavens' in the West the Buddhist tradition talks about. Nirvana is just a step away in such a paradise. Once we realise that there is really no 'place' involved in this bliss, that all is one, we become the Eternal Now itself. The agitation of grasping which made up 'us' stills, like a undisturbed pool of water. 'I' becomes 'all'. The spark goes out.
Wickwoman;18647 said:I find a by product of becoming a Buddhist and giving up my firm beliefs in an afterlife is that I am terrified of dying!
shenpen nangwa;75891 said:Buddhism doesnt require that you give up the belief in an afterlife. The opposite is actually true. Buddhism offers profound techniques for preparing for death and what comes after.
theuprising;75905 said:Though I guess according to the more secular sects of buddhism, dubbed "buddhism without beliefs", the point of buddhism would be to rid of attatchment so that one could live however many days we have left to the fullest.
fivebells;75918 said:I think where you say "gathering good karma," you mean something like "accumulating merit." If that's the case, the point is that it leads to peace in this life.
that kind of "Buddhism" sounds an awful lot like "not-Buddhism" to me. seriously though, its fine if people want to use Buddhist teachings for short term happiness but they should recognize that approach for what it is.
I do not fear the actual dying details. I guess the idea I will not continue is the terrifying part for me.
Mostly I feel sad about the idea of my death, like I'll miss myself.
o0Mundus-Vult-Decipi0o;76090 said:What are you talking about? :confused: "short-term happiness" :confused:
i am referring to the view that some practitioners have that is motivated by the short term happiness on this life. rather than being motivated by Buddhahood or bodhicitta that extends beyond the limits of a single lifetime and for oneself.
fivebells;76217 said:Yes, shenpen's characterization of those who practice without believing in rebirth is condescending and ignorant. Who is more selfish? Someone who cultivates bodhicitta with postmortem punishments and rewards in mind? Or someone who does it because they see the need all around them, here and now?