heard a Native American speaker today

AMH

At the church I have been attending we have a regular 5:00 interfaith service. They call it the Buddhist service but it mostly has meditation and a speaker who may or may not be Buddhist.

Today there was a great Native American speaker. So much of what he said was familiar to me from Buddhism. The idea of not being separate from what we may call a diety was emphasized. He talked a lot about the way we affect everything (even some quantum physics and chaos theory). He had that presence, I don't know if people get it but there is a presence around a deeply spiritual person. It is one of the reasons I like going to churches all over, but like this one very much and feel community.

He even had a great answer to a question about how there is conflict among Native American tribes and with the larger American culture. He said (if I get it right) that oil and water do not mix without heating it up, so some discord is necessary for change. However he also said their idea of diety is imperfect. Each world that has been created and the people on it has been improved as the creator evolved and improved. We can all learn from each other and use the strife to develop what needs to happen.

Just wanted to share

ThailandTom

And thank you for doing so. I have always imagined native Americans to be very peaceful and wise, but I have never met any of them. His sentence about how water and oil don't mix without heating up is very clever indeed. It is really quite harsh what has happened to their race and their culture, and yet they still live side by side with you guys with harmony, now that is something to look up to. I wish I was there to hear the speech myself!

AMH

I will see if he has any writings or speeches on line. He seems to be well known.

I have found Native Americans comfortable tobe around. My dad is a very quiet person, selectively mute actually. So I grew up with many long silences. The Native Americans I have known are comfortable with silence as well, not likely to fill it up with mindless chatter.

I hope there is harmony, and some equity in what has been done to their cultures. It is really a grace injustice and difficult to see how they work in American culture. I did however find some great info on working with kids from an organization that focuses on traditional balance of how they raise children. I am very excited about it. Our after school programs really struggle with behavior and special needs students.

ThailandTom

My mother is a teacher of special needs at a high school, the same one I went to, so I know what it entails. Kudos to you for that.

Yes please if you can find some of his speeches or videos, I am curious to see what he has to say. I do not know a lot about American history but I know enough to know that yes it was a great injustice and it is remarkable how they are living and working along side you guys. I guess they do not have much choice, being out-numbered and the fact that they are peaceful for the most part.

Lady_Alison

Omg...this is why I love reading your threads, I thought I was the only one that could sense deep presence around real spiritual people and places.

Like an intuition...btw, I got the artist way. Thank you. It may seem whimsical to some but it speaks my language, as do you.

Thank you I need more 1% of the infp/ j around me.

Telly03

Here's a book, "The Wisdom of the Native American" that I really enjoyed, and made me think afterwards that they really were so much wiser than the settlers, yet the settlers felt the need to civilize them.

http://www.amazon.com/Wisdom-Native-Americans-Kent-Nerburn/dp/1577310799

AMH

Omg...this is why I love reading your threads, I thought I was the only one that could sense deep presence around real spiritual people and places.

Like an intuition...btw, I got the artist way. Thank you. It may seem whimsical to some but it speaks my language, as do you.

Thank you I need more 1% of the infp/ j around me.

I am glad you got the Artist's Way. I really love the process. I have a chunk of time tonight and I am just stuck. That is a good reminder to get the book out and kick start something,

vinlyn

http://www.answers.com/topic/native-american-wars-wars-among-native-americans

Dakini

There's a Navajo physicist who's pretty well known. I wonder if it was he, or if it was some of his ideas that were incorporated into the talk.

AMH

This speaker was not a scientist, he just had general ideas. But he did relate some physics topics into the Native American world view.

Okay that thing that says two molecules that are separated at a far distance will react if something is done to only one molecule, that was one thing he talked about. How his belief system did not have a problem understanding that because of the interconnectedness of everything. Sorry so vague, I am not a scientist either.

Dakini

That's entanglement theory--cool stuff! Scientists say it would explain telepathy, and other psi phenomena, like when you know a loved one is in danger, even though they're hundreds of miles away. That sort of thing. I was reading about it recently.

ThailandTom

That's entanglement theory--cool stuff! Scientists say it would explain telepathy, and other psi phenomena, like when you know a loved one is in danger, even though they're hundreds of miles away. That sort of thing. I was reading about it recently.

I watched something about it a couple of months ago. Scientists have only yet proven it in tests across the space of a few miles because it is extremely hard to keep the molecule in a secure state, I forget why now. But yes, everything is interconnected in buddhism (dependent origination), science is saying the same thing and also the native Americans have a similar notion. I'm pretty sure the hippys do as well if you ask them.

AMH

Someone here, maybe it was you, suggested a book called Entangled Minds. I downloaded it and read some of it so far (then I had to read Stephen King and some murder mysteries). It is very interesting, a lot of it is proof of the theory and about psi as they call it. I thought it was interesting that they found the strength of it decreased over the time they continued tests.

However it has been in my life one of those things I take for granted, yet I knew better than to talk about even at a young age. I can't go to Vegas and win money with it, but I do feel a lot of things and sometimes have a hard time sorting them out or totally getting the message until after the fact.

Dakini

Yes, I suggested it. Very interesting, the author says psi has been proven for a long time now, but public opinion hasn't caught up, and a lot of scientists can't quite swallow it.

There was an article in the paper here in NM about a guy who could go to the casinos and pick a winning slot machine anytime he wanted. Once he saw an elderly woman playing the slots, and he told her to go to a certain other machine. She did, and won big-time. He doesn't use his gift to rake in money, he uses it to be a good samaritan.

You might enjoy "Second Sight", by Judith Orloff. She has a strong psychic gift from childhood, but her mother made her supress it. Eventually, in adulthood, she re-discovered it, and uses it in her psychotherapy practice.