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Does it feel familiar?

chelachela Veteran
edited April 2013 in Arts & Writings
Many of us Westerners have reported that we were drawn to Buddhism because it felt familiar-- like something deep within us already knew we were Buddhists. Here is an article that may explain that feeling of familiarity for Westerners, as well as explains how that familiarity limits our understanding of the Dharma. It's a scholarly article and takes some effort to read, but well worth it, IMHO. http://www.thebuddhism.net/2013/03/24/the-roots-of-buddhist-romanticism/
Invincible_summer

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  • I am really really sorry Chela, but I cannot be bothered to read the entire article as I am over tired and my right eye is aching and feels dry from being on the computer working too long. Can you give me the gist of it please?

    I watched a movie you may know of, 'Spring Summer Autumn Winter' and when I did I was transfixed. I was taken a back and it did seem kind of familiar to an extent, it felt natural and 'right'? Anyway, now I am in Thailand I have said many times over that I feel more at home here than I ever have in the West, I love SE Asia for many reasons :clap:
  • chelachela Veteran
    Well, @ThailandTom, I can't really deduce the entire essay into a few short paragraphs, mainly because I don't have the focus to do so at this time, but here's what I can say in brief: Thanissaro Bhikkhu compares and contrasts German Romanticism's and the Dharma's roots and views of religion, the human condition, and what of that condition religion "cures," and how it does so. Through his examination, we see that Westerners are often viewing the Dharma through Romanticism's gate, just as the Chinese view the Dharma through Taoism's gate. He talks about various Romantic philosophers and how they have shaped modern psychology and cultural views in the West.

    I think this is probably the thesis statement:
    Taken broadly, Romanticism and the Dharma view spiritual life in a similar light. Both regard religion as a product of human activity, rather than divine intervention. Both regard the essence of religion as experiential and pragmatic; and its role as therapeutic, aimed at curing the diseases of the human mind. But if you examine the historical roots of both traditions, you find that they disagree sharply not only on the nature of religious experience, but also on the nature of the mental diseases it can treat and on the nature of what it means to be cured.

    Further, the essay punctuates the importance of questioning our historical/cultural presumptions we bring with us when experiencing the Dharma:
    Even when fully present, the mind carries along its past presuppositions, using them to judge which experiences — if any — should be valued. This is one of the implications of the Buddhist doctrine on karma. As long as these presuppositions remain unexamined, they hold an unknown power.

    It's an interesting essay-- read it when you get a chance.
    Invincible_summer
  • vinlynvinlyn Colorado...for now Veteran
    To begin with, it's extremely well-written.

    I was pretty skeptical of the essay at first, because I thought it was a very good example of when a person looks at something through his own lens, he or she has a tendency to see what they want to see. Sort of the "seeing the world through rose colored glasses" concept. And here he has at least 3 biases -- being a Westerner, being a Buddhist, and being schooled in Western psychology. Hence, a risk of wanting to see the strong link between eastern Buddhism and Western psychology. So, I was wary.

    I would be more comfortable seeing such a link if Kant, or Schiller, or Jung, or Maslow ever saw such a link. And although I read a lot of Maslow at university -- albeit 40 years ago -- I don't recall Maslow ever talking about such a link.

    However, I think your thesis statement ("Taken broadly, Romanticism and the Dharma view spiritual life in a similar light. Both regard religion as a product of human activity, rather than divine intervention. Both regard the essence of religion as experiential and pragmatic; and its role as therapeutic, aimed at curing the diseases of the human mind. But if you examine the historical roots of both traditions, you find that they disagree sharply not only on the nature of religious experience, but also on the nature of the mental diseases it can treat and on the nature of what it means to be cured.") puts it in its proper context.

    Nice job, @Chela!
  • chelachela Veteran
    @vinlyn let me be clear-- this thesis statement is not mine, but what I picked out of the essay as being the author's thesis statement.

    I think you are right, @vinlyn, and that the author is making the statement in the essay that we DO see the links by seeing through these lenses, as Westerners being subjected to Western psychology and looking at the Dharma, and that this itself presents "traps" (if you will) that we need to watch out for. I think it is a great point, and I think it's quite possible that some of us are in danger of learning the Dharma in a way that justifies what we have learned from Western psychology (whether we even realize it or not), rather than in the original way that the Buddha intended (which I'm still trying to get a taste of). I don't think it is even possible to shed or unlearn these ideas which essentially make up my understanding of life, but rather, we have to try to learn how to see through them in order to see the Dharma more clearly, through an un-tinted lens. It must be very difficult, and no wonder it requires a lifetime of practice (except for the Buddha, of course). Sometimes I think, "I get it," but I think it's important to follow with, "really-- do I?"

    Additionally, Thanissaro Bhikkhu illuminates the fact that some Western Dharma teachers are teaching through "rose colored glasses" and, from my perspective, this way would be something many Western students would be instinctively drawn to. Who doesn't feel good when the feelings and ideas they've had all along are being "proven" to be right, in light of Buddhism? Definitely something I'm thinking about as attempt to further my Dharma studies.
  • vinlynvinlyn Colorado...for now Veteran
    It's sort of like every once in a while on this forum, somebody will see a "Buddhist message" in a hip hop song or a Harry Potter movie, etc. That's just part of seeing what we want to see.
    Invincible_summer
  • chelachela Veteran
    @vinlyn actually, I have found myself doing that! Only, in children's cartoons! But I say, "is it?" and many times I still see it, but in a fragmented way. So I have just chalked it up to the fact that there are actually links. It doesn't mean that the entire show (song, movie, etc.) is Buddhist, it just means that certain ideas can be there that coincide with Buddhist ideas or philosophy/psychology. After all, we don't have to believe that Buddhism is in a bubble and we can't relate it to our everyday life. I don't think it would be as useful if we couldn't relate it at least some times-- as if it were a completely foreign event. I guess some people may go about it that way, but for me, it would be pointless. In addition, whenever I do think I see something, I think it is my conscious reminding me about the Dharma. That can't be such a bad thing, can it?
  • karastikarasti Breathing Minnesota Moderator
    I don't think it's too much of a stretch to see there are Buddhist "messsages" in our movies and such. Not that the producers decided "hey, let's throw this Buddhism in there." But because Buddhism is just life. Of course we are going to see it around us, just like Christians see God's work around them. It's the same stuff, we just all see it from a different angle.
    chelaInvincible_summer
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