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Do you agree that enjoying sensual pleasure is akin to licking honey on a sharp blade ?

Do you agree that enjoying sensual pleasure is akin to licking honey on a sharp blade ?

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  • JeffreyJeffrey Veteran
    edited January 2014
    Yes pleasure is precarious. But the Buddha nature is the one who feels pleasure. The craving is the problem rather than the pleasure itself. Pleasure without observer, object, and mind consciousness would just be the nature of mind itself.

    But yeah you can get in a drunk driving accident or something so horrible due to pleasure.

    I'm glad you asked this question. I was just worried about a loved one and drinking.
  • DavidDavid A human residing in Hamilton, Ontario, Canada. Ancestral territory of the Erie, Haudenosaunee, Huron-Wendat, Mississauga and Neutral First Nations Veteran
    I guess so.

    If we're mindful, it can be very sweet but if not it can turn out to be a bloody mess.
    sova
  • Straight_ManStraight_Man Gentle Man Veteran
    Pleasure in moderation, but not Hedonism, can be ok. Hedonism is addiction or clinging to pleasure for pleasure's sake, which is something to be VERY careful about not doing.

    IMHO.

    Metta, folks.
  • What is life without some pleasure every so often? Pleasure is the only goal worth pursuing, some would say. Some have even said nibanna is the highest pleasure. If you ask me, I believe craving is the real problem, not pleasure per se.
    Jeffreysova
  • wangchueywangchuey Veteran
    edited January 2014
    Avoiding the "addictive" personality is what some of us can do at best. Perhaps when we overcome some of our weakness we also gain strengths in other areas that can prove helpful towards our goal. Is there anyone willing to shed some light in overcoming weakness?
  • Overcome weakness by turning towards the weakness. So say I have an anger problem. Turn towards that and pay our feelings good attention. Communicate better with those we are angry with. Anger is one of the first things to work on because it is so course that it is actually easier to deal with. There is a lot of energy in anger that can be turned to good use once you reveal the anger.
    wangchueyjae
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    That’s the time to search for unborn confused mind’s basic reality

    In the baseless, rootless and empty confused appearances of life
    We suffer from heat and from cold and from so many other things
    But diligence in Secret Yana’s practices, so powerful
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    To what we beautify with hats and clothes, to this heap of elements
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    But the carelessness and craziness of this life will end one day
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    I purify illusory flesh and blood into empty-appearing deity
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  • DakiniDakini Veteran
    edited January 2014
    jll said:

    Do you agree that enjoying sensual pleasure is akin to licking honey on a sharp blade ?

    No. Enjoying sensual pleasure is simply akin to licking honey. I don't get the sharp blade analogy. Enjoy it while it lasts, and be grateful for it.

    JeffreyChazCitta
  • The blade is impermanence. It will chess out whether you are grasping or non-grasping.
  • Jeffrey said:

    The blade is impermanence. It will chess out whether you are grasping or non-grasping.

    Yes it's impermanent, but you might chess out before the blade does.

  • True. I think. Lol
  • ChazChaz The Remarkable Chaz Anywhere, Everywhere & Nowhere Veteran
    jll said:

    Do you agree that enjoying sensual pleasure is akin to licking honey on a sharp blade ?

    Yep
  • NevermindNevermind Bitter & Hateful Veteran
    jll said:

    Do you agree that enjoying sensual pleasure is akin to licking honey on a sharp blade ?

    I just tried it and I must say it's kinda good in a refreshing and unexpected way. It helps a little if you don't get blood in the honey. :-/
    lobsterjaeDharmaMcBumReborn
  • Nevermind said:

    jll said:

    Do you agree that enjoying sensual pleasure is akin to licking honey on a sharp blade ?

    I just tried it and I must say it's kinda good in a refreshing and unexpected way. It helps a little if you don't get blood in the honey. :-/
    Blood in the honey..... hmm, sounds like a hit single, lol.
    JeffreyReborn
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  • federicafederica Seeker of the clear blue sky... Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator
    jll said:

    Do you agree that enjoying sensual pleasure is akin to licking honey on a sharp blade ?

    Not really. I cook a lot. I often lick sharp knives. Bad vice, I know.... but I've never yet cut my tongue on one. Ever.

  • DairyLamaDairyLama Veteran Veteran
    jll said:

    Do you agree that enjoying sensual pleasure is akin to licking honey on a sharp blade ?

    You certainly have to be careful how you go about it.

    ;)
    DharmaMcBum
  • HamsakaHamsaka goosewhisperer Polishing the 'just so' Veteran
    Yeah, I leave off the razor too.
  • howhow Veteran Veteran
    federica said:

    jll said:

    Do you agree that enjoying sensual pleasure is akin to licking honey on a sharp blade ?

    Not really. I cook a lot. I often lick sharp knives. Bad vice, I know.... but I've never yet cut my tongue on one. Ever.

    Oowww Is it sharp blade against a sharper tongue
    or sharp blade meeting a timid tongue?
    lobsterfederica
  • Lick the honey. Leave the sharp bits.
  • TheswingisyellowTheswingisyellow Trying to be open to existence Samsara Veteran
    edited January 2014
    Sensual pleasure is sensual pleasure: sex, a good meal a drink........are all well and good, the blades only come out when we cling
    lobster
  • TheswingisyellowTheswingisyellow Trying to be open to existence Samsara Veteran
    I would advise against licking honey off a sharp blade...........licking honey off your honey may not be so bad.....just sticky :D
    federica
  • sovasova delocalized fractyllic harmonizing Veteran
    wangchuey said:

    Avoiding the "addictive" personality is what some of us can do at best. Perhaps when we overcome some of our weakness we also gain strengths in other areas that can prove helpful towards our goal. Is there anyone willing to shed some light in overcoming weakness?

    I used to exhibit many addictive behaviors, at the expense of friends, study, and basic sanity... for sake of that fleeting fogginess that seemed like sustainable peace to an utterly deluded mind.

    it took me long enough, but there is nothing like weeping and exhibiting real remorse for past faults.

    sure, you might still slip due to habit, but once you have hit the iceberg on the head with your heated hammer of vindication, it will crumble, and the tendency will simply erode over time.

    also. be real. you are mighty. you have the same potential within you as Shakyamuni.

    read some inspiring stories and reflect on them.. "the mind is the chief, the mind is the leader."
    lobsterwangchuey
  • An average person nowadays is living a much more luxurious life than that of kings at the time of the Buddha what with air conditioning, running water, entertainment etc.
    "Now what do you think, Magandiya? Have you ever seen or heard of a king or king's minister — enjoying himself, provided & endowed with the five strings of sensuality, without abandoning sensual craving, without removing sensual fever — who has dwelt or will dwell or is dwelling free from thirst, his mind inwardly at peace?"

    "No, master Gotama."

    http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/mn/mn.075x.than.html
  • No I don't agree with that.
    You have my sympathy.
  • seeker242seeker242 Zen Florida, USA Veteran

    Sensual pleasure is sensual pleasure: sex, a good meal a drink........are all well and good, the blades only come out when we cling

    Which is always. Unless you attain elightment of course. :)

  • @sova
    also. be real. you are mighty. you have the same potential within you as Shakyamuni.
    :clap:

    Well said.
    One day your tongue may be sharp enough to remove knives from the honey . . .
    DairyLama
  • My incorporating honey covered sharp blades into sensual pleasure is none of your business! ;)
  • sova said:

    be real. you are mighty. you have the same potential within you as Shakyamuni.

    read some inspiring stories and reflect on them.. "the mind is the chief, the mind is the leader."

    That's real powerful advice. Thanks @sova
  • HamsakaHamsaka goosewhisperer Polishing the 'just so' Veteran
    pegembara said:

    An average person nowadays is living a much more luxurious life than that of kings at the time of the Buddha what with air conditioning, running water, entertainment etc.

    "Now what do you think, Magandiya? Have you ever seen or heard of a king or king's minister — enjoying himself, provided & endowed with the five strings of sensuality, without abandoning sensual craving, without removing sensual fever — who has dwelt or will dwell or is dwelling free from thirst, his mind inwardly at peace?"

    "No, master Gotama."

    http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/mn/mn.075x.than.html


    This post just had me thinking . . . we definitely are living a much more luxurious life nowadays but we still have the same human mind and it's bottomless craving for what we don't have but believe we need.

    Our craving is so bottomless that a constant stream of sensual pleasure on all six channels will go flaccid and the 'pleasure' elusive. I don't think it is more difficult to suffer nowadays than it was 2600 years ago, at least it doesn't seem true when you consider the causes of suffering are imbedded in the human mind, no different now than it was back then.

    Perhaps 'back then' folks didn't have the luxury of mid-life crises or existential angst, so the suffering might have different qualities or labels. No one expected ALL of their children to survive infancy much less make it to an age where they were useful around the house or could take responsibility for the family inheritance. Our expectations nowadays are different, but we still suffer as badly as ever, and have abundant opportunity, as ever, to suffer, and seek the end of it.

    Gassho :)

    pegembara
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