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Civil Disobedience

ScottPenScottPen Maryland Veteran

OK I'm not talkin Thoreau here. I mean Gautama. Did he ever say anything about civil disobedience?

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  • JasonJason God Emperor Arrakis Moderator

    No, not that I'm aware of. That said, I definitely think that civil disobedience can be part of right action when it's done to confront injustice and harm. The civil rights movement in the US and the fight against British rule in India are both excellent examples of the power of non-violent civil disobedience.

    ScottPenpersonkando
  • federicafederica seeker of the clear blue sky Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator

    @Jason said:
    No, not that I'm aware of. That said, I definitely think that civil disobedience can be part of right action when it's done to confront injustice and harm. The civil rights movement in the US and the fight against British rule in India are both excellent examples of the power of non-violent civil disobedience.

    I would add however, that human beings being what humans are, some of the consequences of BOTH above issues have been less than favourable.... which merely serves to illustrate that no matter how pure, compassionate, loving and well-intentioned OUR actions are, we can never, ever hope to ensure that all bases are covered. Someone, something somewhere along the line, either by accident or design, will mess it up. And we can' predict that, or affect it.

    The moral of the story is, be kind, do no harm and love.
    The remainder is a "throw it all up in the air and see where it lands...."

    personKundo
  • lobsterlobster Veteran

    The Buddha set up was based on limited options, possibilities and understanding. We live in a different situation.

    I prefer Civil Obedience.
    That is I obey civil laws. Imperialism and racism are not civil.

    In my country at the moment, I can support and get involved in green politics, public consultations and protest against corporate and government excess.

    Here are some tips from earlier ...
    http://newbuddhist.com/discussion/25224/militant-dharma

    Vastmindkando
  • federicafederica seeker of the clear blue sky Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator

    I equate Civil Disobedience with Passive Resistance. Heavily underpinned by the 8 and the 5....

  • VimalajātiVimalajāti Whitby, Ontario Explorer

    This is unrelated to Buddhist scriptures, but the OP maybe wish to look into the various Maitreya Rebellions and the White Lotus Society in China.

  • JasonJason God Emperor Arrakis Moderator

    @federica said:

    @Jason said:
    No, not that I'm aware of. That said, I definitely think that civil disobedience can be part of right action when it's done to confront injustice and harm. The civil rights movement in the US and the fight against British rule in India are both excellent examples of the power of non-violent civil disobedience.

    I would add however, that human beings being what humans are, some of the consequences of BOTH above issues have been less than favourable.... which merely serves to illustrate that no matter how pure, compassionate, loving and well-intentioned OUR actions are, we can never, ever hope to ensure that all bases are covered. Someone, something somewhere along the line, either by accident or design, will mess it up. And we can' predict that, or affect it.

    The moral of the story is, be kind, do no harm and love.
    The remainder is a "throw it all up in the air and see where it lands...."

    Even still, I think that opposing slavery and oppression is always superior to supporting it or turning a blind eye regardless of the unintended consequences. Civil rights > slavery and segregation; Indian independence > colonialism; etc.

    Vastmindfedericakando
  • federicafederica seeker of the clear blue sky Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator

    @Jason said:

    @federica said:

    @Jason said:
    No, not that I'm aware of. That said, I definitely think that civil disobedience can be part of right action when it's done to confront injustice and harm. The civil rights movement in the US and the fight against British rule in India are both excellent examples of the power of non-violent civil disobedience.

    I would add however, that human beings being what humans are, some of the consequences of BOTH above issues have been less than favourable.... which merely serves to illustrate that no matter how pure, compassionate, loving and well-intentioned OUR actions are, we can never, ever hope to ensure that all bases are covered. Someone, something somewhere along the line, either by accident or design, will mess it up. And we can' predict that, or affect it.

    The moral of the story is, be kind, do no harm and love.
    The remainder is a "throw it all up in the air and see where it lands...."

    Even still, I think that opposing slavery and oppression is always superior to supporting it or turning a blind eye regardless of the unintended consequences. Civil rights > slavery and segregation; Indian independence > colonialism; etc.

    Oh goodness, yes; I totally and unquestionably agree. i'm certainly not even implying that Gandhi or King were wrong or misguided. Not at all.
    I'm merely saying that sadly, once the furore has died down, and things have settled, human Egos come into play, and those both contemporarily involved and up-and-coming involved, start having agendas and seek gratification, satisfaction and one-upmanship, and not always ideally or peaceably. I'm sure if they were alive, both great men might at times have protested "No, hang on, that's not at all what I meant....!"
    Ideals, left to the ministrations of others, sadly often veer away from the ideal....

  • lobsterlobster Veteran

    @federica said:
    Whatsoever you choose to do, do it with unilateral and unbiased wisdom, compassion and love.

    My sort of politics. <3

    I like too many, am mostly an armchair politico. :3

    Most politicians should be grabbed by the balls or pussy and led to the nearest jail. Which funnily enough is most politics ... :p

    I feel it is better to be a diplomat as @federica describes and perhaps read The Art of Worldly Wisdom instead of the news ...

    In one word, be a Saint.

    So is all said at once. Virtue is the link of all perfections, the centre of all the felicities. She it is that makes us prudent, discreet, sagacious, cautious, wise, courageous, thoughtful, trustworthy, happy, honoured, truthful, and a universal Hero. Three HHH's make us happy—Health, Holiness, and a Headpiece.
    http://www.sacred-texts.com/eso/aww/aww15.htm

    Viva la revolución! 🕊

  • lobsterlobster Veteran
    edited June 27

    Well said @mindatrisk <3

    Personally I am notoriously cowardly. What if we get arrested by the thought police and put in room 101?

    Mummy! 😱

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