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Aurelius;94345 said:Maybe we need a 'vegetarian' section to this forum, because this topic seems to get recycled over and over...
Ren79;94363 said:LOL just to lighten up the mood a little ... (Jim Gaffigans take on vegetarians) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1B59KNDH0o
Jason;94222 said:While I agree with the sentiment, this line of reasoning has some serious consequences when taken to its logical conclusion. For example, are you aware of how many birds are killed each year by microwave towers? That means that, according to the above argument, every person who surfs the web or sends out an e-mail contributes to those deaths and is therefore kammically responsible, so we should cease to use the internet as well. And the same can be said for almost everything else we do or buy. We might as well become Jains.
zendo;94390 said:There is a big difference here. On the one hand, you're talking about deliberately slaughtering animals for the purpose of eating them; while on the other hand, you're talking about accidental (albeit unfortunate) casualties of technology. So this is an apples to oranges comparison, and only confuses the issue.
dhammachick;94279 said:Why is it recently that every time I log onto this site, someone is spouting how bad people are who eat meat and that they can't be a true Buddhist and that the Buddha eating meat is soooooo different to the rest of us eating meat? The Buddha was a MAN nothing more, he said so himself. Is this a regular thing here? The whole denigrating of meat eaters? Or is it just an influx of meat eating bashers? Because I've come here to learn about Buddhism and all I see is a bunch of usually cool people being assholes about eating meat. If this site is anti meat eating that's fine, just let me know and I'll find somewhere else to go to learn. It will be disappointing because I really like it here, but I'm sick of reading this stuff. Respectfully,Raven
Simonthepilgrim;94350 said:How socialist you become, dearest Jason, and I think you make a crucial point. Let us fiddle and faddle about, discussing our over-abundant and choice-laden diet whilst our neighbours starve. Let us worry about what we are putting in our mouths so that we can ignore that our hands are empty, with nothing to share with our sisters and brothers. Let us whine about raising and killing cattle while we send our young to the battlefield.By all means, discuss your diet but, for all our sakes and for your own, do not believe that it is important.
Jason;94393 said:You seem to have missed the underlying point of my argument, especially the fact that insects and animals are also intentionally killed to prevent damage to crops, meaning that even produce isn't 100% free from harm. This includes organic farmers, as well, who also use pesticides to prodcut their crops (they just can't use certain kinds).
Mr Serenity;93622 said:Our bodies were naturally designed to be able to digest meat and eat meat with our teeth. We're also naturally physically capable to hunt animals. Whatever diet you choose that is your choice, but to think someone is a bad person for eating meat that is judgmental.I do not understand the person who is trying to live extra long by being a vegetarian. To me that is a fearful practice or even a sign of phobia. They're afraid of death. Why not just live life with balance and try to also enjoy it too? Truly eating good food once in a while is one of life's pleasures to be appreciated.
zendo;94398 said:Indeed, I don't see the point of your argument, my friend. Nor do I see why you feel the need to press it so urgently.
Is it because you're fiercely anti-vegetarian, or just because you really enjoy debating?
theredniece;94189 said:Firstly, I think we can't compare ourselves to the Buddha eating meat. When highly attained beings and sangha eat meat, they don't just gobble down the meat and eat it out of desire or to fulfil their taste senses/pleasures. Rather, by their attainments, anything they do in association to that animal - even eating it - helps that animal to gain merit. By the buddha eating that animal, the meat nourishes their body; the animal that the meat came from therefore receives a blessing and merit from contributing towards the health and sustenance of an enlightened Being. On top of that, many of these beings recite many prayers over the meat before they eat it, which blesses their future lives.
Takeahnase;94480 said:I just gotta say that I really don't agree with the premise of this here. That the Buddha eating meat is some great thing, that somehow mystically gathers brownie points redeemable in the next life for the poor animal being consumed. While on the other hand anyone else eating meat is just being selfish and could only be thinking of their own pleasure. To me this just smacks of deification of the Buddha and passing judgment on others.
FoibleFull;94408 said:I myself am a meat eater, but ...Actually, if you look at the shape of our teeth, we are frugivores ... fruit eaters. We don't have the pronounced canine teeth of carnivores nor the huge grinding molars of herbivores. And most omnivores (bears, hogs) have large canine teeth closer to the carnivore model than our teeth are. We are not naturally designed to eat meat.Most of the Buddhists I know say they are vegetarians because it just seems "right" with their Practice. But I also know non-Buddhists who are vegetarians: one who says it's cheaper, one who says it's more environmentally-sound, and one who did a meat-free weight-loss diet and she was on it so long that when she started to eat meat again it tasted strange and she no longer liked it. These reasons do not sound like fear of death or near-phobias.
Love'N'Peace;94405 said:Humans are natural omnivores! We can survive without meat also. THEREFOR it's OUR choice. Don't go condemning others, people. Look at yourselves. I don't eat organic food but when I'm older and have more control over my life when I'm older I'll try to produce my own food. Until then... Well, each one of us can ONLY do our BEST :) Love & PeaceJellybean
aMatt;103508 said:I think the best answer to the post's title of:"How can BUDDHISTS not be VEGETARIAN?" "By eating meat" The rest are really our stories projected needlessly.
Noona;103840 said:Hello I am a very new member I wouild like to share my opinion, as long as we do not kill all animal by ourself it should be fine. As far as I know the Lord Buddha did not teach us not to meat. So we can eat but cannot kill.
Don't be so melodramatic.
And I hate to say it, but if you believe that is how cattle are killed at an abattoir, someone's been feeding you pork pies (lies).
She has to regularly visit abattoir to make sure they conform to EU standards in every conceivable way possible,.
The method you describe is primitive an barbaric. Cattle are most certainly not slaughtered in that way.
But your post certainly seemed to imply that this was the general case. I would suggest that the method you describe almost certainly contravenes some law somewhere.
Love'N'Peace;104340 said:On sky documentaries there was an advert for a documentary on some of America's cruel keeping of cows, piled high in waste and crammed together like... Well, like some inhuman method of keeping cows. All the best,Jellybean
seeker242;104287 said: Would the Buddha approve of this?
dhammachick;104399 said:Perhaps you could remember that next time you look down your nose at those who eat meat.
aMatt;104408 said:Or when you look down your nose at those who look down the nose :lol:
It is the general case in the US. Sorry for not specifying that I was talking about what happens in the US. In the US, it's a common practice in large scale production which actually does not violate any laws. The EU has MUCH BETTER laws than the US does.