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KFC Cruelty
Jason_PDK
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http://www.kentuckyfriedcruelty.com
I would like you guys to watch this video. It is the saddest thing I have seen in a long long time.
This is animal cruelty at its worst!
Jason
I would like you guys to watch this video. It is the saddest thing I have seen in a long long time.
This is animal cruelty at its worst!
Jason
Comments
With love, Jen
PETA supports violence if they believe they need have to use it.
PETA kills 2,000 cats & dogs (approx) in a year ... BUT ... EVERY YEAR IN THE USA (stats from 2008) these animals are killed and put on plates:
Cattle: 35,507,500
Pigs: 116,558,900
Chickens: 9,075,261,000 - yes, you read that right, over 9 BILLION!
Turkeys: 271,245,000
Puts it in perspective, huh?
Animal killing of any kind (including PETA's) is bad, but please, let's realise the truth about who the main perpetrators are - the meat industry.
Because of videos like this I tried vegetarianism but I lost too much weight and became rather unhealthy. So i am just wondering, how can I replace the protein from meat? I'm not a huge fan of tofu either.
Heck Vegans were charged for the death of their kid because of their feeding habits:
Just google it, you'll find heaps of evidence for vegetarian health, and recipes etc.
Beans (legumes), mushrooms and quinoa, as Yacababy said, are great sources of proteins.
Namaste
Wow!
I'd never have guessed that Peta kill animals! Thanks Federica!
I'm looking forward to that.
Jason
Pigs: 116,558,900
Chickens: 9,075,261,000 - yes, you read that right, over 9 BILLION!
Turkeys: 271,245,000
This actually made me hungry
It is harsh though how one species cultivates another, further more in harsh conditions
I am not a vegetarian because I love the taste of meat so much, (which is pretty wrong in the eyes of the buddha for a variety of reasons) and because it seems so hard to construct a diet without meat that is enjoyabke, especially when you live in thailand on a budget.
Some monks and nuns eat meat
Sorry for goin' off-topic. No use pointing fingers at just KFC, about 90 percent of the population (subject to correction) are into this.
That food looks so nice!
Jason
Roast beef, roast potatoes, parsnips, carrots, peas, gravy, yorkshire pudding, stuffing....
omit item #1.
Pasta with meatballs?
leave the meatballs.
Anything intrinsically with meat?
"No thanks, really, I'm not all that hungry."
And have a cup of tea and a cheese sandwich.
It's really not that hard.
Bit by bit, the family learns, appreciates and accepts:
*Name* doesn't eat meat......
Sorry, I have no stomach to see this video.
I saw how they deal with chickens in poultry farms in Europe.
Any male chicken is put without anesthetic through the minncer.
Any female is having the bick ripped off by the machine because if left in the overpopulated cages will damage the future chickens on our supermarket shelves.
http://www.wspa.org.uk/latestnews/default.aspx
Metta to all sentient beings
Of course many vegetarians do eat dairy products, and personally i don't think dairy is as unethical as meat in terms of animal suffering, by a long way. Especially organic dairy.
Here's some interesting reading around the 'B12 deficiency myth' which has been mentioned on this thread:
http://www.pamrotella.com/health/b12.html
But I take the point.
And thanks for the reference.
At least you gave one..... :)
"B12 deficiency is common among vegetarians and vegans who do not take B12 supplements. In vegans the risk is very high because none of their natural food sources contain B12. One American study found blood levels below normal in 92 % of vegans, 64 % of lactovegetarians, 47 % of lacto-ovo vegetarians who did not supplement their diet with B12.[40] The study applied the old normal values, so in reality a considerably greater proportion may have been deficient.
On the other hand, one must take into account that the study was conducted in 1982 with a group taking no vitamin supplements: today soy drinks are often fortified with vitamin B12"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_B12_deficiency#Causes
Maybe the B12 deficiency was a big concern decades ago but I think in todays world a vegan can easily ensure they get enough B12.
Metta to all sentient beings
Jason
:)
Their "feeding habits" had absolutely nothing to do with it. Child neglect is what cause the death of that child, plain and simple. It had nothing to do with veganism. It is the position of the American Dietetic Association that appropriately planned vegetarian diets, including total vegetarian or vegan diets, are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and may provide health benefits in the prevention and treatment of certain diseases. Well-planned vegetarian diets are appropriate for individuals during all stages of the life cycle, including pregnancy, lactation, infancy, childhood, and adolescence, and for athletes.
This position is based on extensive review of all the relevant science on the issue. The PDF paper goes into great depth on each particular issue, including the B12 issue.
http://www.eatright.org/About/Content.aspx?id=8357
As you say, people don't seem to realise the insidious nature of pro-meat propoganda. They will say whatever they think it takes to keep people munching on dead animals -- and the cash registers ringing.
If only people could empathise with livestock animals as easily they do with their pets, we might see more action on animal cruelty.
PETA's form 990
Back in 1995, PETA donated too a terrorist: form 990
Rodney Coronado
Rodney Adam Coronado (born July 3, 1966 in San Jose, California)[1] is a Native American (Pascua Yaqui) eco-anarchist and animal rights activist. He is an advocate and former activist for the Animal Liberation Front (ALF) and a spokesperson for the Earth Liberation Front. He was a crew member of the Sea Shepherd Conservation Society and a member of the editorial collective of the Earth First! Journal.[2]
A former proponent of the use of direct action to end what he sees as cruelty to animals and destruction of the environment, Coronado was jailed in 1995 in connection with an arson attack on research facilities at Michigan State University. The incident, which caused $125,000 worth of damage and destroyed 32 years of research data, was part of the ALF's "Operation Bite Back," a series of attacks on animal-testing and fur facilities in the U.S. during the 1990s.[3]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rod_Coronado
Bullshit! on PETA and terrorism:
Honestly, who is worse? A few million in damages and no deaths VS over 9 billion deaths per year. Hmmm, pretty obvious to me.
We oppose violence, but meat industry is worst. It's ok to support PETA, ALF, and ELF because they use violence to end a bigger evil.
PETA may be hyopcrites, but that doesn't lessen the guilt of the slaughter industry one little bit.
The Buddha teaches us not to accept things on face value but to question. I am a veggie and was one before I decided to call myself a Buddhist. I have enjoyed a steak in the past and the thought of langoustine tails in garlic butter makes my mouth water.
However, buying mass produced meat products from companies who's only aim is to make money or please a shareholder is wrong. It is impossible to produce chicken on the scale that KFC does ethically and still make a profit. A good quality free range chicken probably costs 4-5 times that of a battery chicken. PETA's message to highlight this is helpful....but if we look simply at the economics we should not need them to influence our decision not to buy such products.
It is also important to consider who defines what a terrorist is.... generally politicians with an alternative agenda. Also, many terrorists, however misguided and wrong, generally have good intention.
For those of you who accepted the information on petakillsanimals.com .... without question, to see such quick acceptance on a Buddhist forum makes me sad. Its like reading the Daily Mail or watching Fox News or whatever and believing it.
Rod Coronado, the activist that PETA donated to, set fire to a building. No people or animals were harmed. There is a HUGE difference between violence against a building and violence against other people or animals. In February 2006, Coronado was arrested on a felony charge of demonstrating the use of an incendiary device at a public gathering in the Hillcrest neighborhood of San Diego. He blew up a milk jug filled with gasoline at a public speech he gave. No one was harmed. Also, On December 2, 2004, Coronado was indicted on three charges related to Earth First! hunt saboteur actions to disrupt a hunt of mountain lions in Sabino Canyon, near Tucson by dismantling a lion trap and spreading mountain lion urine.
Disabling lion traps? That is some serious terrorism right there!... The idea that these activities are equivalent to Al Queda blowing up the trade center buildings is completely ludicrous. No people were harmed by any of these activities. But of course, that meat industry lobby group is not going to tell you that because it does not align with their propaganda message, so they "conveniently" leave that information out of the picture. If they did tell you that, they would lose their job! Is it wrong to set fire to buildings? Of course, but it does not even come close to the actions of real terrorists. Comparing the two is ridiculous. However, the meat industry propaganda team has been quite effective in associating the two. Why? Because they are experts at disseminating propaganda. That is their job. That is what they get paid big bucks to do.
With regards to that show you posted. Here is a description of it direct from the author referring to that show. "We're biased as all fuck" ~Penn Jillette
It's better to get information from a non-biased source if you want the real truth and not propaganda. Penn and teller are simply recounting the meat industry's biased and distorted propaganda because it gets TV ratings. They also did a bullshit episode about their show and it explains how the show itself is bullshit. You are only getting 1/2 the story. The half that comes from the owners of the slaughterhouses and that's it. It's better to have the whole truth.
With regards to the people you are getting your information from. The organization that owns and operated those websites. Hear is some info.
The Center for Consumer Freedom (CCF), formerly the Guest Choice Network, is a non-profit American lobby group.CCF was set up in 1995 by Richard Berman, executive director of the public affairs firm Berman and Company, with $600,000 from the Philip Morris tobacco company. Berman told The Washington Post that CCF is now funded by a coalition of restaurant and food companies as well as some individuals; according to the group's website it is supported by over 100 companies and thousands of individual consumers. Sponsors are reported to include Brinker International, RTM Restaurant Group (the owner of Arby's), Tyson Foods, HMSHost Corp, and Wendy's.
According to The Washington Post, Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW), a watchdog group, asked the Internal Revenue Service in 2005 to revoke CCF's tax-exempt status, alleging that Berman and his company had used CCF to direct over $7 million charitable money to himself and his company since 1997, an allegation Berman rejects. CCF has campaigned against a number of organizations, such as the Centers for Disease Control, the Center for Science in the Public Interest, Mothers Against Drunk Driving, People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, and Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine, and maintains several websites devoted to criticizing them. The forerunner to the CCF was the Guest Choice Network, which was organized in 1995 by Berman with money from Philip Morris, "to unite the restaurant and hospitality industries in a campaign to defend their consumers and marketing programs against attacks from anti-smoking, anti-drinking, anti-meat, etc. activists ...
If these people are the only people you are getting your information from. You are not getting the real truth.
I do not support any group who supports animals lives over humans. You and I are living longer due too the medical research that is done on animals.
What is more important?
Saving the lives of these:
or these:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternatives_to_animal_testing
I should also add that I myself think that its just not right to sacrafice the life of an animal just to make sure that human lives live longer. Is it not a persons ego that makes them think that their life is more important than an animals.
Metta to all sentient beings
Like the study of the brain and genetics. We used rats to understand how us we humans and other animals learn. We found a gene that makes animals too learn. We didn't know about it until we turned off the gene in a rat and found out it could not learn.
Without animals. We could not create new organs in a lab and make sure they work.
On the benefits of Animal research and why replacements don't really work:
>Without animals. We could not create new organs in a lab and make sure they work.
I disagree. If you really want good medical research. Do that research on human beings. That is who it is intended for anyway. Oh wait, we can't do that, that would be "unethical". Really? Why would it be OK to do that to animals and not OK to do that to other humans. Well obviously, because humans are vastly superior to all other animals and animals can be used which ever way we want as long as it benefits us. That is a pretty selfish view if you really look it it. Animal rights people do not believe that humans are vastly superior to all other animals, therefore you can't just do whatever you want to them and claim it as "ethical", just because it benefits humans. Not everyone believes that humans are superior to all other animals. Animal right people are not "Speciests" like most other people are. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciesism
>What is more important? Saving the lives of these (Rats) or these (Kids):
This is called a "false dilemma" (also called false dichotomy, the either-or fallacy, fallacy of false choice, black and white thinking or the fallacy of exhaustive hypotheses) is a type of logical fallacy that involves a situation in which only two alternatives are considered, when in fact there are additional options.
False dilemma can arise intentionally, when fallacy is used in an attempt to force a choice ("If you are not with us, you are against us.") But the fallacy can also arise simply by accidental omission of additional options rather than by deliberate deception (e.g., "I thought we were friends, but all my friends were at my apartment last night and you weren't there.")
In other words, the "save these or these" argument, is not a valid argument. I believe in science, as well as the proper use of logic and reasoning.