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mujaku said:There is no need to fear death if you know exactly what actually dies and what does not die but lives on eternally (you are with that person now but don't know it yet). As long as we attach to the flesh, we can't see what of us does not die—so we get freaked out! This explains why Bhagavan Buddha was so insistent that we give up clinging to the person of flesh. The person of flesh is dead to the life of spirit so when we cling to that person we feel the horror of death. Bhagavan Buddha brought us the light that we might spiritually see and have eternal life. When you receive his light you will have what we call COMPLETE VIEW (samyag-drishti).How did Bhagavan Buddha approach his death?When a blessed one is dying and his consciousness departs, he is peaceful and unaware of this death; he passes away fearlessly as if he were dreaming. - Maharatnakuta Sutra
Martin of Norwich said: not even unlimited chocolate.
Whereas those in the east, or maybe those practising a more eastern/oriental philosophy or Religion, are far more comfortable with it.The two states have in their turn applied to me...
The subject of one's mortality and what does not die, which we can access by meditation, is usually answered by some Westerners with putting their fingers in their ears saying, "LALALALALALALALALALA—I AM NOT LISTENING!"
Jerbear said:WHAAAAAAAAAAAAT?!?!?!?! I need chocolate or it just won't be nirvana! A box of Godiva truffles daily is as close to nirvana as we can get on this side of things.
Brigid said:Kowtaaia,LOVE that poem. My father's always quoting it.
We have a tortoiseshell female.Another line he likes to use is "A cat can look at a king..."
kowtaaia said:There's a dozen more than 1 cat here.
Pandora said:How could I be sure that I had an essential "me" that could reincarnate? Where was this indelible bit of identity, that would still be myself even if all my circumstances and memories were not available to me?
Pandora said:I couldn't be certain. And I haven't been certain about anything since. I'm looking into Buddhism because at this point in my life, I am truly a seeker--settled on nothing, convinced of nothing, filled with questions and wonderings and a desire to know. Meditation and looking at Dharma teachings has brought me some peace of mind, so I am definitely open to learning more.
Pandora said:Oh! Just as a side note to all of you who are in your early 40s and think you might be old: you can't possibly be old! You're only two years or so shy of my parents, and everyone says they're quite young! So don't worry. :D
buddhafoot said:I'm sorry, ZM. I didn't mean to make it sound like I was quoting you directly. Bad writing on my part. -bf
Jerbear said:I hope that I don't sound calloused. In a way, I am. Since I work in intensive care, I see death pretty regularly. I do have to have a certain amount of professional distance from it. But how I've done it is to look at as clinically as possible. I realize that people need to deal with it in their own way. Had to be tough working with animals. I love dogs and would probably cry to assist in putting one to sleep. Actually, my teacher is a veterinarian by trade plus running a sangha. I shall ask him how he deals with it.When I realized that I no longer believed in eternal life, it was tough. Not seeing my mom or sister or best friend was tough. But I couldn't change what I thought to be true because it felt better to me. That isn't a bad way to go if you can handle it, but my intellectual integrity would be compromised. So what does one do with death? Face it as real. Not pretty and flowery like harps and clouds, but real. Can't tell you what it feels like but you have to experience it. It's real and you have to really grieve the loss. But it's grieved and over as much as one can be.Hope that clarifies my position because as I read my response it did seem rather cold.
I didn't think your response cold. It was real. It seems it would be so diffcult coming from believing in eternal life to ?not knowing for sure? what happens after death.
A student simply must endure and tolerate the angry mind. Many masters have also said that because of anger, man becomes a tiger, a bee, a snake, or some similar stinging or biting creature. From foolish mindedness, man becomes either a bird or a butterfly. Depending upon his degree of low-mindedness, man becomes either an ant, mosquito or the like. From craving things, man becomes a hungry ghost. The type of desire or anger molds the nature of hell into which men will accordingly fall. Each and every state of mind determines the kind of creature man is to become. --Master Kyong-Ho (1849-1912) korean
Xrayman said::winkc: mmm scared of dying.I was terrified years ago when I was younger around 20. Now I think it's more if im going to go-make it quick. Nowadays I try to make everyday a good day and livable from the early morning to late at night-i TRY NOT TO WASTE TIME.ok Illl stop with the :bs:I'm sh** scared of dying. there I said it. Are you happy now?regards
mujaku said:The conditions which made it possible for our own birth have not been sufficiently extinguished by us to insure the end of rebirth (you have to be an Arhat for that one). So logic dictates we shall be reborn again according to our predisposition. Our consciousness will re-link with a set of conditions insuring again-birth into some from (rupa) from that of a god to even a hell being.