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@Sile. Gratitude for this thread. Im glad I got the chance to read, and judge for myself. The bio you posted after all the discussion was a nice touch. He died in 1951. Did he hear you apologize in the OP? :p I know, that's another thread . haha
If your a student of the Dalai lama @Sile I wouldn't advise digging into him.
here is one thing i found in the history of tantra book. trimondis give the page number as 125. their page number is different due to how the book was published. they stated that it was on page 125, but i found it on 127, and it states: "if a woman refuses sexual union she must be forced to do so."
What year was the Guden book published that you are reading from? There are books out there that prove just what Tibetan Buddhism is, and that go alone with the Trimondi's assessment. I would imagine that you don't even have the 1991 edition of Tibetan art of love. Like I may have said, Benjamin Walker's book Tatrism: It's Secret Principles and Practices says the same as what the Tibetan Art of Love has to say and more.The History of Tantra by N,B, Bhattacharyya says the same as well. I got these books because I didn't know whether to believe the Trimondis or not. I learned that they were completely honest in what they are saying. The Trimondis were once friends and publishers of the Dalai Lama, and as they said in their interview: However, after many years of extensive study and reflection, we seriously questioned some of the fundamental tenets of the Tantric Buddhism the Dalai Lama professed and eventually became one of his sharpest critics.And again as I said, The Commentary of the Kalacakra by a lama who was sent to America by the Dalai Lama is a disgusting book which openly talks about the ritual and using 12 year olds. Kalacakra Tantra (A Commentary On The) by Geshe Lharampa Ngawang Dhargyey here is the interview with trimondi: http://www.whale.to/b/trimondi.htmlWhat are you actually denying here? That 12 year olds are used in the sex rituals or that there are even sex rituals?Do you really think you need sex in order to become enlightened?
I still have no answer on what year the book tibetan art of love, that you have, was published?all one has to do is read the commentary on the kalacakra to know that the trimondis are not lying. as to them frankensteining their articles, well, that is how it is done by scholars as well. then if a person wants to know more they buy the reference books. yet when i quote from the kalacakra you (not you personally) claim that i am quoting the trimondis. no one can quote from an entire book; if they did they may has well print an article with just a list of books to read, which is what i have done because no one here believes that my quotes are from me but believe they are from the trimondis.
@sile - what do you consider Trimondis' motivation may have been in submitting the inaccurate twist? Does it seem intentional from the overall translation of the work or could it have been their interpretation based on their beliefs or perhaps incorporation of other sources or just mistake?
earthsnake. it seems that what sile posted is the 1992 book and it says exactly the same as what trimondis said it did
Thanks for the contacts, but I don't feel this issue is important enough to bother the man :D Not for me, anyway. By the way, I found the original for sale online somewhere, perhaps it's time to revive my skills.Thao, I studied Tibetan language and culture as part of my major at university and I know that much of what you are saying is true. However, we should remain critical and not trust either book blindly if we don't have the original to refer to.
what is the problem here? do you believe that 12 year olds girls are not used in the sex rituals? or what? because there are a lot of books out that that say they do.