How do you guys look at coffee and tea from a fifth precept point of view?
I consider high cafaine beverages as intoxicating for body and mind such as coffee and energy drinks. Tea (green, black, herbal) is a lot healthier (anti-oxidants) and they contains a lot less cafaine, as I see it.
yeah it's about cafaine. and anti-oxidants.. and taste..coffee without milk and sugar is horrible. tea without milk and sugar is just fine. also look at the density of coffee and tea. coffee is like tar. can't see through it.
I suppose I could live without coffee, but it would take some getting used to. It definitely is not intoxicating for me. That's what the precept is about isn't it? People should be able to tell if they are intoxicated. Being more alert at daybreak is important to me.
@how I know. How many of the real coffeedrinkers out there are NOT able to start their day without their cafaine-shot???? life is an intoxicant = life is suffering because intoxicants create attachment = there is a way out of suffering = the teachings of the buddha.
Coffee (caffeine in any form) is a medicine. If used rarely, it can be used to dispel migraines.
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Hmmm...caffeine is one of my mini-migraine triggers.
Have you ever been a coffee drinker? People who quit coffee cold turkey can get migraines. Maybe you have a sensitivity/subtle allergy to it. My doctor recommends 90% cacao as a headache remedy (chocolate has caffeine), and some aspirins/migraine remedies come with caffeine in them.
I suppose I could live without coffee, but it would take some getting used to. It definitely is not intoxicating for me. That's what the precept is about isn't it? People should be able to tell if they are intoxicated. Being more alert at daybreak is important to me.
I don't find that individuals can usually determine if they are intoxicated. Others can tell more accurately.
@how I know. How many of the real coffeedrinkers out there are NOT able to start their day without their cafaine-shot???? life is an intoxicant = life is suffering because intoxicants create attachment = there is a way out of suffering = the teachings of the buddha.
I hate coffee. But for years at work I still needed my caffeine jolt...though through coke or pepsi.
I suppose I could live without coffee, but it would take some getting used to. It definitely is not intoxicating for me. That's what the precept is about isn't it? People should be able to tell if they are intoxicated. Being more alert at daybreak is important to me.
I don't find that individuals can usually determine if they are intoxicated. Others can tell more accurately.
Coffee (caffeine in any form) is a medicine. If used rarely, it can be used to dispel migraines.
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Hmmm...caffeine is one of my mini-migraine triggers.
Have you ever been a coffee drinker? People who quit coffee cold turkey can get migraines. Maybe you have a sensitivity/subtle allergy to it. My doctor recommends 90% cacao as a headache remedy (chocolate has caffeine), and some aspirins/migraine remedies come with caffeine in them.
No, never drank coffee. Hated it. But for quite a few years was a heavy-in-the-morning coke/pepsi drinker. The alternative way to get my morning jolt. Not only did I have frequent mini-migraines back then, but when I was drinking the most coke/pepsi, also got 2 kidney stones. Interestingly, I have recently had to give up chocolate (used to eat a lot of it) because it was causing heart palpitations.
Now that you mention it, I do remember that most OTC migraine meds have caffeine in them...I was thinking I wouldn't be able to take them due to the palpitations.
Now that you mention it, I do remember that most OTC migraine meds have caffeine in them...I was thinking I wouldn't be able to take them due to the palpitations.
Sounds serious. Yeah, the caffeine would stimulate the nervous system, which could cause palpitations. Take care.
Wow, I don't know how you make your coffee, but my coffee is not thick nor dark like "tar". :-/ It's a beautiful toasted brown color and you CAN see through it to some degree. As far as the ocean and other bodies of water, some of the most dangerously polluted waters can be crystal clear, while some of the safest/cleanest can actually be the color of (weak) coffee, called "cedar water" in these parts....
as for the original question regarding the 5th precept; I don't consider caffeine 'intoxicating' or leading to intoxication. I personally take the 5th precept to mean that I should always avoid intoxication and subsequent heedlessness. No more, no less.
Tea is not inherently anything more or less than coffee. Except in terms of satisfaction, where coffee definitely and clearly has inherited more of that which satisfies. :) + :coffee: = :om:
Tea! Always! It is the British way! It is much more refined, spiritual and delicate than coffee. Wouldn't you agree?
No, I can't agree... I've tried tea many times, many 'flavors', both hot and cold. When I drink coffee, I taste the beans, all toasty and roasted and flavorful. When I drink tea of any sort, I taste... well, I taste DIRT. Moist, rich-tasting, dirt.
To me drinking coffee is drinking the juice of the 'fruit' (really beans) it bears; while drinking tea is drinking the juice of the leaves and stalk itself, instead of the fruit. Which kind of explains the whole 'dirt' taste, I guess...
@MaryAnne- I think thats a very appropriate distinction, being that people are the fruit of the earth... you are what you eat, er, drink, that is. Romantically, anyhows.
Tea! Always! It is the British way! It is much more refined, spiritual and delicate than coffee. Wouldn't you agree?
No, I can't agree... I've tried tea many times, many 'flavors', both hot and cold. When I drink coffee, I taste the beans, all toasty and roasted and flavorful. When I drink tea of any sort, I taste... well, I taste DIRT. Moist, rich-tasting, dirt.
To me drinking coffee is drinking the juice of the 'fruit' (really beans) it bears; while drinking tea is drinking the juice of the leaves and stalk itself, instead of the fruit. Which kind of explains the whole 'dirt' taste, I guess...
Funnily enough, I think that coffee tastes like dirt and tea tastes quite flavourful! It's simply a matter of taste, maybe you're not used to tea and maybe I'm not used to coffee.
I used to be a serious coffee drinker, 10+ cups a day and I quit cold turkey. The migraine almost blinded me and I was violently, violently ill. Definitely taper off :)
Funnily enough, I think that coffee tastes like dirt and tea tastes quite flavourful! It's simply a matter of taste, maybe you're not used to tea and maybe I'm not used to coffee. ****************************************************
Maybe the 'problem' is I've never had really good, well-made top quality tea? And maybe you've never had really good, well-made top quality coffee? ;-)
I've really tried to like tea, honest. Just doesn't do it for me though. But I can understand how you don't like coffee either.
Usually when I go to the States and ask for tea unless your careful, it comes as iced tea. Even with more specific instructions, I usually get coffee temp hot water and a liptons bag that was stale a month ago. We once tryed to no avail to find a tea pot in Hawaii. Not even Wal Mart stocked them. It think once the USA historically dumped that British tea in the harbour, it was coffee's way or the highway.
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Decaf or non-caf tea is great. There are so many varieties out now, it's an adventure to explore them all.
yeah it's about cafaine.
and anti-oxidants..
and taste..coffee without milk and sugar is horrible.
tea without milk and sugar is just fine.
also look at the density of coffee and tea.
coffee is like tar. can't see through it.
Like anything, it's not the "thing" but our relationship to it that matters.
I know.
How many of the real coffeedrinkers out there are NOT able to start their day without their cafaine-shot????
life is an intoxicant = life is suffering because intoxicants create attachment = there is a way out of suffering = the teachings of the buddha.
Now that you mention it, I do remember that most OTC migraine meds have caffeine in them...I was thinking I wouldn't be able to take them due to the palpitations.
meditation is a great morning jolt too...
same as yoga
:)
lol
altough not the most enyojable.
grey murky water...or clear blue tropical ??
rich in color and texture... or clear blue tropical? Mind the sodium count!
It's a beautiful toasted brown color and you CAN see through it to some degree. As far as the ocean and other bodies of water, some of the most dangerously polluted waters can be crystal clear, while some of the safest/cleanest can actually be the color of (weak) coffee, called "cedar water" in these parts....
as for the original question regarding the 5th precept; I don't consider caffeine 'intoxicating' or leading to intoxication. I personally take the 5th precept to mean that I should always avoid intoxication and subsequent heedlessness. No more, no less.
When I drink coffee, I taste the beans, all toasty and roasted and flavorful. When I drink tea of any sort, I taste... well, I taste DIRT. Moist, rich-tasting, dirt.
To me drinking coffee is drinking the juice of the 'fruit' (really beans) it bears; while drinking tea is drinking the juice of the leaves and stalk itself, instead of the fruit.
Which kind of explains the whole 'dirt' taste, I guess...
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Maybe the 'problem' is I've never had really good, well-made top quality tea? And maybe you've never had really good, well-made top quality coffee? ;-)
I've really tried to like tea, honest. Just doesn't do it for me though. But I can understand how you don't like coffee either.