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Palzang said:.... Some scientists believe that if the polar ice caps melt (which they are at an alarming rate) it will shut down the Gulf Stream which heats up northern Europe and the world in general. That would result in the onset of a new ice age, a real one, not a mini, and it would almost certainly have a rapid onset (rapid meaning decades, not centuries). ....
Palzang said:I think that may have been a different one, Keith. This was a 2 hour History Channel production, probably one of their History's Mysteries series. The global warming part came at the end. Most of it was about the devastating consequences of the mini ice age on world history. ....
keithg said:Here we go: "Because of these recent extremes, the pace at which average global temperatures have been rising, which amounted to about +0.6°C over the past century, accelerated in the past two decades to an equivalent rate of +1.0°C per century."Source: Common Misconceptions about Abrupt Climate Change
Knight of Buddha said:I am just not one of those people who is constantly worried about things. "Save the Trees"..."Save the Whales"..."Save the Monkey Eating Eagle of the Philipines"....yes there is such a thing, I had to do a report on it. The biggest arrogance of humanity is to think that we can "Save the Planet." We can't take care of ourselves or each other and we think that we can save the planet. The Earth is gunna be here for a very...very long time. We probably won't unless we colonize other planets and make them habitable. The Earth will keep going and spinning until the death of our star. We...well we will probably be long gone. We will either kill ourselves or the planet will do that for us. If anything, we humans are just another surface pest. My point is, I don't see how worrying about what might happen to the planet is going to solve anything. Do I honestly think a few plastic bottles and recycled paper is gunna change the course of our planet? Doubt it...Me...I am going to enjoy what is left of it. Ride the bike until the wheels fall off I say. And about my children or grandchildren...well that's too bad because I don't plan on having any. Selfish I know but how can we accurately predict the weather in 50 years when my idiot news stations can't say whether it will snow or not tomorrow?And about the depleting snow falls, that's silly as well. In Ohio last year, we had the most mild winter in years. But the year before, we had the highest snow fall on record. The year before that, it was mild I believe. The planet goes through cycles; hot and cold. It will keep doing it's thing. For millions of years, the planet has endured mass extinctions and dozens of ice ages. We didn't cause all of these. I know that global warming is affecting us, and maybe an ice age is coming, but a teenager sitting here senselessly worrying about what might happen, is a waste of precious time.
Simonthepilgrim said:I'm not sure what conclusion you are drawing from the site above. Their conclusion is:
Knight of Buddha said:My point is, I don't see how worrying about what might happen to the planet is going to solve anything. Do I honestly think a few plastic bottles and recycled paper is gunna change the course of our planet? Doubt it...
Palzang said:That kind of attitude is a cop-out, Simon. That's certainly not the brand of Buddhism my teacher teaches, nor does anyone else I'm aware of. That's idiot Buddhism. We are taught to be activist, such as rescuing dogs that are facing euthanasia or working to change our communities and our nations for the better. To do otherwise is not at all what the Buddha taught. We're not taught to go hide in a cave somewhere and pretend nothing matters. If we do a retreat in a cave, it's not to hide but to attain enlightenment so that we can be of true benefit to sentient beings, not to disappear into some nebulous fog of "enlightened bliss". When I first came to Buddhism that's exactly what I was looking for, an escape from the suffering of samsara, a way to completely shut myself off, but that's not what I discovered there. That's a very childish, immature attitude that doesn't want to deal with the realities of life, and is certainly not at all what the Buddha taught. There are other religions for people who want that!Palzang
Simonthepilgrim said:Most of the time, KoB, your comments show maturity but this attitude of "I'm OK, Jack" is precisely the opposite of what the Buddha teaches about our interdependence. I can find nothing written anywhere that suggests that you should be "sitting here senselessly worrying about what might happen". On the contrary, you need to be getting up and doing something!
YogaMama said:KOB - you don't have to have money to do these things:drive less and drive more fuel-efficient and less-polluting cars, use energy-efficient appliances and use less electricity in general. And recycle! That doesn't cost you anything.
Simonthepilgrim said:Some things that (even) a young person can do:* Use as few lights as yoiu can and turn them off when you leave a room empty.* Turn off your computer, tv, etc. Do not leave them on "standby" when not in use.* Do not run the tap (faucet) when brushing your teeth.* Recycle whatever you can and try to use as much recycled material (paper, etc.) as you can find.* Persuade your parents to change light bulbs to low-energy bulbs.* Drive less and walk more whenever possible.These may seem small things but if every 17-year-old in the US did them, the effect would be cumulatively enormous. Never believe that you can make no difference. Only YOU can change the world.
Knight of Buddha said: I am speaking on behalf of Americans, but many others would be included. People are not going to stop driving and commuting where they have to. Many people can't afford the fuel efficient cars and must resort to 'beaters' which are gas guzzlers as well. The problem is that people are not going to be willing to change the way they live their lives if they don't see a benefit personally. It is greedy, but it is the truth. Education on this topic will work to an extent, but will never be accepted by the masses unless they have some big reasons for doing so.