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"Book of Eights" or Atthakavagga

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  • KannonKannon NAMU AMIDA BUTSU Ach-To Veteran

    Morning!

    karastiDakiniBuddhadragon
  • DakiniDakini Veteran

    I got my book. :) I'll read the introduction, because I'm curious about the author's views.

  • HozanHozan Veteran

    My book is taking ages 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

    Buddhadragon
  • HozanHozan Veteran
    edited June 2017

    Go on please everybody ! I will catch up when my book arrives.

  • karastikarasti Breathing Minnesota Moderator

    No worries @Hozan! Others are still waiting for their copies as well. I think it will be nice to wait for everyone and then no one has to rush to catch up, or get influenced by our opinions if we discuss ahead of time.

    Hozan
  • HozanHozan Veteran

    Thank you @karasti . ❤❤❤👍👍👍

    karasti
  • paulysopaulyso usa Veteran

    i think i will follow the conversation,i don't know if i can get the book to participate.but will enjoy the discussion.

  • HozanHozan Veteran

    Just had an update from Amazon, the book has been dispatched today and may even arrive tomorrow before the weekend! Monday at the latest! ☺☺☺

    karasti
  • VastmindVastmind Memphis, TN Veteran

    The book has landed. 🦅

    karastiHozanBuddhadragon
  • HozanHozan Veteran

    Me too! ☺☺ Book arrived this morning!

    VastmindBuddhadragon
  • KeromeKerome Love, love is mystery The Continent Veteran
    edited June 2017

    My Tibetan Buddhist 'not-so-basics' course has now finished, so the study group will hopefully fill up the empty space in my schedule. No sign of the book yet, it should be with me sometime next week... someone had to be last.

    VastmindHozan
  • DakiniDakini Veteran

    I've read up through Chapter 2 so far, which is the most interesting so far, IMO. That's enough for now. Such a small book to generate so much excitement!

    karastiVastmindHozanBuddhadragon
  • karastikarasti Breathing Minnesota Moderator

    @Dakini I find it interesting how much information can be packed into just a few lines. I wish I had that gift :lol: So far, for me (I am in the same place as you, I don't want to read too far ahead), it is a refreshing return to the ideas that brought me to Buddhism to start. I am not a big sutra reading person, but the whole line of this teaching just really "speaks" to me right now. :) It is funny how small it is to get everyone so excited!

    HozanDakini
  • VastmindVastmind Memphis, TN Veteran

    I couldn't agree more! Small...but big on flavor, hahaha.

    I can't wait for the discussions!

    HozanDakiniBuddhadragon
  • I am in. Will order it via Kindle today.

    VastmindHozanBuddhadragon
  • federicafederica seeker of the clear blue sky Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator

    @Dhammika said:
    I am in. Will order it via Kindle today.

    Come payday, I shall do the same. Don't wait for me guys - I can catch up.

    HozanVastmindBuddhadragon
  • HozanHozan Veteran

    @federica said:

    @Dhammika said:
    I am in. Will order it via Kindle today.

    Come payday, I shall do the same. Don't wait for me guys - I can catch up.

    We will wait. We all stand together. Plenty introduction to read. ☺☺

    Buddhadragon
  • BuddhadragonBuddhadragon Carpe Diem Samsara Veteran

    Almost on chapter 4.
    What I love till now, and that is consistent with the Buddha's teaching as I always knew it, is the emphasis in the here and now.
    No reference to other lifetimes from his mouth, till now...🐉👍

  • BuddhadragonBuddhadragon Carpe Diem Samsara Veteran

    The reading takes double time because I scribble notes into my beloved Fausböll oldie, and compare with yet another version that I downloaded...
    I am an exacting fussy reader...

    Hozan
  • KeromeKerome Love, love is mystery The Continent Veteran

    Had a note from the book website that the "delivery service have taken charge of the package" so I can probably expect it tomorrow.

  • Here is a thoughtful review of the book, BTW, by one of the secular Buddhist folk. Still waiting on my copy:
    http://secularbuddhism.org/2017/01/09/the-buddha-before-buddhism-review-of-fronsdal/

    Kerome
  • DakiniDakini Veteran

    @DhammaDragon said:
    Almost on chapter 4.
    What I love till now, and that is consistent with the Buddha's teaching as I always knew it, is the emphasis in the here and now.
    No reference to other lifetimes from his mouth, till now...🐉👍

    Yes, that's what I found interesting. He said not to concern oneself with "becoming", and any afterlife or rebirth questions.

    Kerome
  • Just got my book in the mail today.

    karastiHozan
  • KannonKannon NAMU AMIDA BUTSU Ach-To Veteran

    @DhammaDragon I too love taking notes though I usually just annotate extensively and sticky note.

    I am waiting until we are all ready discussing before reading. I've only read the intro and chapter 1. I would like to go piece by piece until I've sufficiently bat the information around. Reminds me of reading groups I haven't been a part of since junior high!

  • federicafederica seeker of the clear blue sky Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator

    Guys, I don't get paid until the 10th of the month.
    That means I won't get the book until at least a week after that.
    So start without me.
    I can and will catch up.
    If anything, discussion will broaden and expand my own understanding and absorption of the work.....

  • DakiniDakini Veteran

    OP, are you keeping track of who's ready to go? Let us know when to begin.

    Kannon
  • BuddhadragonBuddhadragon Carpe Diem Samsara Veteran

    Let's call a last roll to see who is ready to begin and who would like to participate but does not have the book.
    Shall we wait for those who don't have the book but would like to join?

  • lobsterlobster Veteran

    I'll join but won't have the book :3

  • VastmindVastmind Memphis, TN Veteran
    edited June 2017

    This book is the16 poems with a small commentary by the author/translator before each one. We could still post a version of each Chapter poem on the thread in discussion. Others would still be able to participate in chewing the poem/teaching...just not his specific commentary on it, ...Is that where we are going with this? I'm bumping the book up against the version provided in the OP on Access to Insight...for those who don't have or can't get the book. Yes...Semantics and exact translations will always be something to go back and forth over...but....real talk-you don't HAVE to get the book to discuss the concept/teaching/lesson and what you take away.

    On each Chapter thread...let's just start out posting the AtI version and more people could be included, without having to spend the money on the book. Comparisons of different versions could still apply as discussions and so on...

    On this link...scroll down to Chapter 4...and there is each of the 16.

    http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/kn/snp/

    person
  • karastikarasti Breathing Minnesota Moderator

    Ready to go here. Doesn't matter to me if we wait or not. I have been hesitant to read too much ahead just because it seems like perhaps there would be value in understanding individual chapters and then putting them all together, and having a perspective of the whole book might change my understanding of the individual chapters (if that makes any sense, lol)

    Vastmind
  • KeromeKerome Love, love is mystery The Continent Veteran

    My book is still in the mail... I spoke to the vendors today and their delivery service could take up to the end of next week because it's coming from the uk. Sigh.

  • Got my book. Been reading ahead in class.

  • DakiniDakini Veteran

    I have the book. I stopped reading a little after Chapter 2.

    I don't know if there's that much to say about each chapter, honestly. I'm thinking a more open discussion format might work best. We tried a book club once before, and it broke down, because there wasn't that much to say, in terms of analysis and step-by-step discussion. What do you think, OP?

    I don't know what an alternative organizing principle might be. Maybe people could state which chapters stood out for them, and were most significant for them, and why, and the flow of the discussion could follow that. IDK. It's great that there's so much interest in the book, though!

    Or maybe we could have some general study questions, like, "What surprised you about this book?" "How are the principles presented in the poems different from your view of Buddhism?" That sort of thing, and discussion could be based on those questions...?

    Just brainstorming.

  • karastikarasti Breathing Minnesota Moderator

    For me, even though some chapters might generate a lot more discussion than others, it would be nice to keep them separate somehow. Even if we do like 4 sections that each contain 4 chapters? 16 discussions plus this one might be a lot to keep track of. I would have a hard time following a single discussion where everyone might be talking about one thing, but I want to ask about another chapter, and so on. It would mean a lot of jumping around between 16 distinct chapters in one discussion and might be hard to navigate? Or maybe we could break it down into the major headings that are covered, from @DhammaDragon's post earlier in this discussion:
    Fronsdal finds four main thems in the book:
    1) Letting go of views,
    2) Avoiding sensual craving,
    3) The qualities of a sage, and
    4) The training to become a sage.

    Buddhadragon
  • KannonKannon NAMU AMIDA BUTSU Ach-To Veteran

    I am ready too

  • JeffreyJeffrey Veteran

    Maybe a paragraph introduction of where people come from in interest in the book? What made them interested and a little about themselves what brought them.

  • BuddhadragonBuddhadragon Carpe Diem Samsara Veteran
    edited July 2017

    The only problem I see, even if we have the impression that some chapters do not have much food for discussion, is that to be able to discuss themes and broad general comments, we would all have had to finish the book.

    Maybe we could follow the format that @karasti outlined above, as pinpointed in the book, encompassing themes and chapters:

    1) Letting go of views (Chapters 3, 4, 5, 8, 9, 11, 12 and 13)

    2) Sensual Craving (Chapters 1, 2, 7 and 9)

    3) Description of the Sage (Chapters 4, 6, 9, 10, 13 and 15)

    4) Training (Chapters 14, 15 and 16)

    We could create threads for each theme, and add to them as we read each chapter...

    Hozan
  • I like the broad, general topics approach. Maybe exploring a topic for a week, like Letting Go of Views to start?

  • KeromeKerome Love, love is mystery The Continent Veteran

    The book has arrived....

  • personperson Don't believe everything you think 'Merica! Veteran

    I second @karasti's idea of breaking down the threads by concepts rather than chapters.

  • federicafederica seeker of the clear blue sky Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator

    Oh great. And here's me thinking this was going to be a simple chronology.... ~Rolleyes~

  • KeromeKerome Love, love is mystery The Continent Veteran

    @person said:
    I second @karasti's idea of breaking down the threads by concepts rather than chapters.

    Won't that turn into a bit of a mess as different readers progress through different chapters and jump from topic to topic? At least with chapter-by-chapter threads you can read chronologically through the book and what people thought about it...

  • federicafederica seeker of the clear blue sky Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator

    @Kerome said:

    @person said:
    I second @karasti's idea of breaking down the threads by concepts rather than chapters.

    Won't that turn into a bit of a mess as different readers progress through different chapters and jump from topic to topic? At least with chapter-by-chapter threads you can read chronologically through the book and what people thought about it...

    Exactly. That's why I opened a thread for chapter 1, to be followed by threads on subsequent and following chapters, PLUS a thread for General discussion and different PoV's....

  • karastikarasti Breathing Minnesota Moderator

    Either way is fine with me, I don't care. I just think things are going to run together amongst the 4 themes and that is going to make it hard to stick to one idea per chapter. Because stuff from the other chapters, as we keep reading, is going to come into play.

  • BuddhadragonBuddhadragon Carpe Diem Samsara Veteran

    Sorry to show up sporadically, but we are leaving off on vacations tomorrow and I am going crazy.
    Plus all the reading I am trying to put in...

  • federicafederica seeker of the clear blue sky Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator

    Got paid. First thing I did was order the book.....

    BuddhadragonkarastiHozan
  • BuddhadragonBuddhadragon Carpe Diem Samsara Veteran

    @federica said:
    Got paid. First thing I did was order the book.....

    Great, Fede!! <3

    Hozan
  • personperson Don't believe everything you think 'Merica! Veteran

    Time for some new chapters yet?

    Vastmindkarasti
  • federicafederica seeker of the clear blue sky Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator

    Now the book has been despatched.... * Taps foot * .....

  • karastikarasti Breathing Minnesota Moderator

    If we all stomp, will it come faster?

    VastmindShoshin
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