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  • I wouldn't doubt you can gain weight even whole foods diet if you eat enough food. Ah never mind I will make my own discoveries. Too cumbersome to discuss all of this here.

  • KeromeKerome Love, love is mystery The Continent Veteran

    I think too it is important to make one’s own discoveries - to measure, be scientific, observe the behaviour of your own body. Not everybody’s body is the same, our genes and background differ, and so our needs are individual too. But I think LCHF is a good solution for many people who suffer on the standard diet.

  • federicafederica seeker of the clear blue sky Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator

    @Jeffrey said:
    @karasti do you remember if they distinguished between what types of carbs make saturated fat worse? And amount of carbs? Glycemic index is how fast a carb goes into sugar in your system. Glycemic load is how much sugar goes in blood. So a carrot and a potato both have a relatively high glycemic index but a carrot is more healthy because it is lower calorie load than potato.

    I think it would be interesting to hear from the research if you a given saturated fat consumption what is the effect of no carbohydrates (so in ketone mode) or compare to differnt amounts and types of carbs. I would be surprised if intake of desserts and lots of processed foods (containing all purpose flour which has bran and 'germ' removed) had the same results as intake of whole grains, fruits, legumes, or other 'good carbs'..

    You're quite right @Jeffrey; it's as @Tosh said earlier in the thread: It's not simply a question of calories, it's calories plus information. The same can be said of carbohydrates. To make things easier, the starchier and more simple the carbs, the more you give them up! We're talking the high-starch foods such as flours - pasta and bread - and potatoes, rice, and of course, the classic combination of flour and sugar - all those wonderful, addictive treats!

    I have found that giving up on the above carb component has made it easier for my body to process other foods. Fats don't make you fat, and they don't make you ill. It's the old adage: Everything in moderation - including moderation!
    For the record, I spiralize my carrots and courgettes (zucchini, to you...). This cuts out the core - where the sugars and starches are stored.
    I eat peas and chickpeas in moderation, but have plenty of seeds like chia and linseed, and of course sunflower and pumpkin seeds too. But of course, I eat them as an addition to a meal, not the central part...

  • karastikarasti Breathing Minnesota Moderator

    @Jeffrey Indeed, you can gain weight on the healthiest diet. In my case, the calories were the exact same, it was only the ratios that changed, so I went from a lower (I wasn't LCHF then, just somewhat lower carb than normal) to higher carb (and thus less fat and protein, but mostly less fat) and gained weight. It was the carb intake that made the difference, even if it was all healthy carbs. In my case, my body just cannot process too many carbs well, even if they are healthy carbs. My metabolism has been a miss since my last pregnancy, which was almost 10 years ago. Interestingly, he is also the diabetic kid.
    I do realize that had I stuck with the vegan diet for more than 6 weeks, it might have balanced out and had a more obvious long-term impact, but weight was having an impact on my ability to do the things I wanted and was part of the reason I busted my knee 5 years ago, so continuing to gain wasn't an option.

    I looked through the one book last night but didn't find the study info yet. I have a couple of books by them and am 95% sure it was there that I read it, so I'll look this morning once the kids go to school.

  • silversilver In the beginning there was nothing, and then it exploded. USA, Left coast. Veteran

    I like this guy on YT - he has the kind of recipes we're looking for and a fun and funny personality:

  • federicafederica seeker of the clear blue sky Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator
    edited February 7

    I love Oyakodo! (That's a great video, but as he takes pains to point out, probably not as authentic as it should be, and who cares? It looks yummy!)
    For pedantic purists though, just in case you're interested, here's a more.... 'authentic' version.

    Do as you wish, enjoy! :)

  • federicafederica seeker of the clear blue sky Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator
  • SocairSocair Veteran

    Definitely good news @federica

  • karastikarasti Breathing Minnesota Moderator

    good to know, I hope it goes somewhere. It really is utterly ridiculous what they feed to people in all of our institutions, hospitals, elderly homes, school. Ugh. When Calvin was 2 and in the PICU for his diabetes diagnosis, the first meal they sent up for him once he was able to eat was a huge pork chop, a 2 scoop serving of mashed potatoes and gravy, fake-buttered corn, skim milk, sugared jello, pudding and an apple. not that they are all awful foods, but it even came up with the "diabetic meal" tag on it, and it was like 140 grams of carbs and reduced fat milk and trimmed chop. So it was basically nothing but a whole lot of carb and a bit of protein. So gross. The school is even worse. He takes lunch from home most of the time, but sometimes likes to take hot lunch with his friends (because they separate hot and cold lunch kids in the lunch room so he can't sit with them otherwise) and some of the meals are 120+ grams of carbs. Breakfast is even worse, as it's usually like a poptart and juice. And we always wonder why kids are bouncing off the walls in the afternoon and come home tired, crabby and starving. So much ugh.

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