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BuddhaOdin;98319 said:Do Buddhists believe in reincarnation and karma? Is this an important aspect of Buddhism?
MatSalted;98330 said:Can we also discus in this thread "Should women be allowed to vote?" and "Should Buddhists Jihad against the Vatican?":POnly Joking!
If by reincarnate you mean "rebirth", then mostly yes. It is usually taken as either metaphorical or literal in nature.
Stephen;98331 said:If by reincarnate you mean "rebirth", then mostly yes. It is usually taken as either metaphorical or literal in nature.
Deshy;98502 said:I used to strongly believe in rebirth until recently I read selected Buddhists texts and the suttas more closely. In fact, that belief is not relevant to Buddhist practice at all and worse still, the more you entertain the idea the more you embrace the very thing you are trying to eliminate: Ego Clinging
Stephen;98551 said:I neither believe nor disbelieve, for disbelief is also a belief. It seems that people will accept certain texts where they support their beliefs, and ignore them when they don't; so any particular texts are worthless in a debate concerning beliefs. Belief in rebirth as truth without self-knowledge is wrong view; belief in rebirth as false (i.e., disbelief) without self-knowledge is wrong view. The only correct way to view rebirth is to understand its conceptual connotations on both the literal and metaphorical level and to "wait and see" for yourself. If you choose to reinforce a belief, one way or the other, you simply create a strong attachment that is difficult to abandon to progress down the path."Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence." is something to take to heart. If we do not believe, that does not mean we must disbelieve. We as Buddhists can take the middle way of neither belief nor disbelief, but few of us (that I know) have taken that route.
Stephen;98551 said:This is why I agree with what someone said earlier... the Buddha would not have entertained such discussions.
Stephen;98551 said:...the question of literal rebirth becomes neither provable nor disprovable. If we disbelieve merely because there is no evidence to support it, it becomes the same as disbelieving in God because there's no evidence....
Stephen;98713 said: The wisest thing we can admit to ourselves is "I don't know", because this is the only true answer and any other is born of self.
Stephen;98727 said:It's been my experience that most, but not all, lay Buddhists who believe in rebirth are seeking to create good karma for a prosperous future rebirth rather than trying to reach full enlightenment (or else they'd abandon the worldly life and become monks). Most monks, on the other hand, are working toward that ultimate goal.
Stephen;98727 said:It's especially important to be mindful of how we use and are affected by the textual teachings of any given Buddhist school. :)
Deshy;98730 said:Trust me, I have found monks who do the same and teach the same to their disciples. In fact almost all of the Dhamma talks I have attended to here in my country have focused on rebirth and karma and how to be born in a better place in the next life. They talk nothing of the cessation of suffering here and now
Stephen;98733 said:Aren't Dhamma talks meant to be lectures given to lay Buddhists, as in Buddhists who still live worldly lives and need information to help them live more skillfully? .
Stephen;98727 said:It's been my experience that most, but not all, lay Buddhists who believe in rebirth are seeking to create good karma for a prosperous future rebirth rather than trying to reach full enlightenment (or else they'd abandon the worldly life and become monks).
Deshy;98739 said:That doesn't mean only monks should be taught of suffeirng and the cessation of suffering and the laypeople are better off with other moral teachings. I am a lay person who is more interested in the cessation of suffering here and now than where I will be born in my next life.
zendo;98743 said:Are you saying you believe the only way to reach full enlightenment is to abandon the worldly life and become a monk?
Stephen;98747 said:That's good Deshy! I'm with ya, but we must understand that people like you and I and probably a few on this forum are the exceptions to the rule, and the majority of lay Buddhists have less lofty goals than full enlightenment in this lifetime. The monks cater to the majority because really what else can they do? They're supposed to give help that is actually desired, and few desire the deeper teachings which would take them away from their "world"; those who do generally become monks. So lectures would generally be of good conduct, rather than the cessation of suffering; this is completely understandable, and I wouldn't expect otherwise...
nlighten;98749 said:From my understanding the goal of Buddhism is to become enlightened, and to become enlightened is to be free from suffering and cyclic existence, which is caused by karma (ignorance). This cyclic existence is "rebirth".
Physical birth is not the cause of your suffering. The cause of your suffeirng is the attachments that come from ego or self identification. The cycle of births and deaths are cycles of the births and deaths of the ego. This happens many times during this lifetime and can be eradicated in this lifetime.
Deshy;98768 said:What you are basically saying is, since a lot of people are attached to their "world" they would not be interested in Nibbana but would be better off with some moral teachings. The reality is there are a lot of lay folks I know who want to reap the fruits of Buddhist teachings aka Nibbana; the cessation of suffering. That's the reason they come for the Dhamma talks in the first place. That's the reason Buddhists generally follow the Dhamma.
NamelessRiver;98772 said:Just by curiosity, can you point me to any author that interprets it like that besides Stephen Batchelor?
Stephen;98774 said:Some people want to remain householders, part of this self-centered world we live in, and still attain enlightenment. It's not easy. It's much easier if you become a monk...
A mere mind-stream is not an ego.
Stephen;98774 said:Some people want to remain householders, part of this self-centered world we live in
It's like wanting to have kids but not have the responsibility of being a parent. That's not very likely either. ;)
Transmetaphysical;98784 said:I say that reincarnation is an absolute fact scientifically because the second law of thermodynamics states that matter and energy can't be destroyed, only transformed or transferred.
Stephen;98781 said:Hey don't shoot the messenger.
aMatt;98786 said:"...in a closed system" which we are not.
upekka;98814 said:who do you mean by buddhists? believe in anything is just a belief if someone believe in reincarnation it is a beliefif someone believe in karma it is a belief again belief is not the Truth but the belief help us to search for the Truth if we satisfied with what we believe and do not try to find out whether it is true or false then that is blind belief yes kamma/karma is an important aspect of buddhism :)
Transmetaphysical;98784 said:the second law of thermodynamics states that matter and energy can't be destroyed, only transformed or transferred.
BuddhaOdin;98818 said:Are you saying that karma and reincarnation are not belief but truth? Beliefs can be true.
Stephen;98800 said:I think this convo has gone off-the-tracks
upekka;98871 said:seeing dependent origination (cause and effect - paticca samuppada) helps to clarify whether such beliefs are just belief or truekey is Understanding the Dependent Origination