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It is hard for me to imagine how the realization of emptiness could ever be "celebrated or recognized" to any degree.
It's hard for me to imagine not celebrating emptiness.
What good is wisdom if we're not living happily?
What spurred the post was a philosophical/political discussion about collectivism vs individualism. A kind of chicken or egg question was raised, does society create individuals or do individuals create society? A whole lot of the left/right divide going on is baked into that question. Bringing it back to wisdom though, I was like why does have to be one or the other? I'd say that they both give rise to and support each other. So in a sense that relates to Buddhist wisdom in a sort of dependently originated way.
My fiance has been on a serial killer kick lately and we got into this exact discussion the other day pertaining to how it's possible to foster compassion towards them and whether or not there is a "killer gene.
I'd say you are right and that it pretty much has to work that way. It's all trial and error and society is made up of people by the people for the people.
I think our problems are just so much growing pains and I do think we will be alright.
For example there has recently been a rising up of women all over the world and although there are examples of hate and prejudice all over, the reaction to said hate has been mostly positive. Take Malala Yousafzai and her words of hope which. Were something to the effect of not wanting revenge on the Taliban but instead wants their sons and daughters to be educated.
Very powerful stuff.
I try to see these types in the same light Archie Bunker was portrayed.
What a great show All in the Family was.
That sounds more like a wish list.
But then again, meaning isn't any less meaningful if it's something we make rather than find.
A flowing occurrence.
Something sounds soothing in that somehow.
I'd agree if it was worded "I need to know..." but wanting to enjoy something while it lasts or wanting to know how something works knowing full well that it is not going to be around forever is just smart.
So now, we get to a definition of dukkah. One definition (or type of suffering) is that when pleasure stops, we suffer. And so the argument always is that finding pleasure in something (even if you know it will end) will inevitably lead to suffering.
So, @David, there is always the option to simply accept suffering - no problem. The bigger lesson that I see here is to be vigilant for the pervasiveness of attachment. (It's everywhere!) And there are many times when we suffer needlessly without having made the calculation you talked about.
That assumes that enjoyment always leads to attachment which I think is a leap.
The temporal nature of enjoyable things is precisely what makes them so precious.
I can agree we suffer needlessly at times when attachment is like a bad addiction but some suffering is worth it. I wouldn't trade the time I had with any passed away loved ones for a lack of all attachment.
When it comes to trying to let go of that which is healthy, it is better to let go of letting go.
We don't let go of the raft until we reach the far shore.