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Kerome · Love, love is mystery · Veteran

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  • Re: What is your Plan?

    Apparently Jiddhu Krishnamurthi was enlightened and despite 70 years of trying, did not leave any enlightened students. One of his dying comments was that people did not take enlightenment seriously...

    Osho’s comment on this was that enlightenment should not be serious.

    JaySon
  • Re: Wu Hsin on enlightenment

    I liked this bit...

    “All thinking is imaginary because the person talking to you is imaginary. There is no self talking to yourself; in fact, there also is no “yourself”. Stay a time in silence. Do not accept these words; look for yourself for “yourself”.”

    It makes sense.

    lobster
  • Re: The truth of reality

    Annihilation and a complete end are not to be feared, I feel, although I’m reliably informed they get more scary as one gets older.

    Really worse would be living in some metaphysical post-death reality as an outcast, a monster, a cripple or a slave or some combination. There are a few visions that I would term nightmarish for a human being.

    As I understand Buddhism, these things are possible, if you’re karma is really poor and you get a rebirth in a non-earthly realm. Perhaps leaving the realm of samsara is only possible through enlightenment, a mountain that few can climb.

    Snakeskin
  • Re: The truth of reality

    @FoibleFull said:
    “Holding onto any truth blocks true wisdom. The truth could knock on our door and we would not see it because of our fixed ideas. “
    Pema Chodron

    This is the Zen story about drinking tea in miniature. But I don’t think it’s entirely correct, as truths build on truths... look at science, it’s a giant inter-connected edifice of individual truths. You could say it is ultimately inter-being extended into the realm of truths.

    “In Buddhism, all concepts are wrong.
    You are really only there when you let go of everything and you do not depend on fixed idea or belief for your sanity or happiness. There is nothing you can hold onto, so let go.
    The teachings of Buddhism are not the teachings of Buddhism … the essence of Buddhism lies in a certain kind of experience and the teachings are only an opening of the door to Buddhism. Buddhism is a ‘developing process’.”
    Alan Watts

    Again, I think this is very simplistic. There are certain things one can hold as truths. Skilful means vs unskillful means for one, or compassion and hope as a way forward to peace.

    Being in a state of let-go is very good, very blissful. But I’m not sure it is more an abdication of responsibility, just as the ‘holy life’ was a flight into renunciation away from the troubles of daily life. Western Buddhism doesn’t often aim to do this anymore, perhaps a new way has to be found for truth as well.

    TravellerSnakeskinlobster
  • Re: wisdom is redundant?

    @genkaku said:
    Seems likely, but I'm not sure. What do you think?

    I don’t think it’s redundant, since it’s the way to distinguish skilful means.

    Traveller