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  • Re: Criticism

    @Ficus_religiosa said:

    @Cinorjer said:
    I think you're just stumbling into the stream of Arahat worship that runs through the Sutras. We pay honor to our Teachers and Masters but that can bring some special problems with it over time. We still see that playing out today. One of them is viewing the people in authority as inherently special and not to be criticized or questioned. That can be reflected in the Sutras in places. So insulting a great enlightened Master brings special punishment? I won't criticize the Sutras but there is another type of Dharma also taught.

    I agree with this. On my own account I will add, that monastics and teachers can (will) also suffer from wrong view, ill will etc. Thus aforementioned monastic member might just be protecting what he sees as the authority of the monastics. The Buddha said, that one should not criticize in others that which they have not attained themselves. Some equate this with karma which will reap bad results.
    So the monk has both canonical and maybe even personal reasons for saying what he did.
    We will never know exactly how, when or why karma works. At the moment I am pretty confident, that karma does not lead to arbitrary results - e.i. criticize a holy person and fail at playing tennis. The negative outcome of such a criticism could be, that a firm believer in the critisized holy person does his to avenge the percieved insult. An unwholesome action, of course, but we are humans afterall.
    I think it can be of value to take into consideration, that monks are just people who are in an environment which is seen as most conducive to reaching higher levels of understanding of Buddhism and maybe even reach levels of enlightenment, but it is up to the individual monk to take the steps. Being a monk is not necessarily the same as being a better person, which the actions of some monks clearly demonstrate.

    I agree but as mentioned above, the criticism does not necessarily have to be through speech. Once you see and/or received obvious improper treatment, the mind will go "he shouldn't do such thing" or the like. This is too a criticism, right? I'm just wondering if this kind of criticism will bring grave or heavy result, considering the person we criticize is a noble one. But telling ourselves not to think certain thoughts seems to be an impossible task. Do we have choice except stop interacting or going to holy place?

    Cinorjer
  • Re: Is this wrong?

    @Cinorjer said:
    These sorts of concerns always take me back to when I started trying to follow the Dharma. I'd also tie my mind into knots trying to decide if every action I took was good or bad karma, selfish or clinging and maybe wrong, etc. I think the biggest appeal that Zen gave me was first letting me know my problem has a name. "Checking". And it has a solution. "Clear mind, clear situation, clear response."

    You have to concentrate, it's a home not a temple, and the noise is making that hard. Sutra, singing, belching contest, no matter. It's noise. So turn it off for a while and politely explain to anyone listening you need quiet for a while to concentrate. Situation handled. No good or bad karma. Just clear mind and situation.

    Being mindful in everything we do is the right thing to do, is it not?
    When we are mindful in every action, is it not natural for us to recognize our fault?

    Shoshin
  • Re: Is this wrong?

    @David said:

    @NB1100 said:

    @federica said:
    "This is noisy", was perception.
    How to improve state of Mindfulness and Concentration?
    Remove object of perception.
    Right Intention.
    This is confirmed by "They are ok with that".

    Your Intention and subsequent action harmed nobody.
    ergo, it was skilful.

    It indeed didn't harm anyone, that thought wasn't directed to anyone but the Sutra, something we honor. I think one should have positive state of mind when one hears/listens to the Sutra.

    If the Sutra could have feelings would it wish to become a distraction to the present moment?

    Sutra may not want to distract anyone but the doer's intention is I think a different thing. @federica mentioned about Right Intention in order to improve Mindfulness and Concentration but Right Intention I think is Intention does not accompanied by "dislike". Is that right?

    Cinorjer