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  • Re: Book of Eights: Chapter 3

    Maybe there's something in the distinction between having a view and being attached to a view? I understand having ideas about the way things are or should be but not being rigidly attached to them because I've been wrong before or knowledge changes or perspective changes or whatever reason I've changed my views before for.

    VastmindShoshinkarasti
  • Re: Book of Eights: Chapter 3

    @karasti said:
    I think that is the ideal, @person, but if you look into some studies about science, that is so, so often not the case. I see what you are getting at in the difference, but multiple studies (which is funny to think about, lol) have found scientists mostly aren't nearly so unbiased and open as we'd like to think. It's not so easy to get rid of our biases, many of them are unconscious. And scientists are fallible as well, with many high level stories of people taking bribes to make studies come out in someone's favor.

    That's true, in real life things don't work the same as they do on paper. I guess it's really just a metaphor then, do you have a fixed view and are just looking for information and making arguments that back up that view or are you trying to be unbiased and let the information guide you towards a view?

    I don't know that that's totally it, it feels like the notion in the book takes it a step further but I think the distinction is kind of in the right direction.

    Vastmind
  • Optimistic Nihilism

    I think there is a strong thread of nihilism that comes as part of being scientifically literate. We don't have to let it get us down, if there is no ultimate purpose to the universe and it all eventually ends in dissolution and heat death then we can assign whatever purpose to our lives that we want.

    Traditional Buddhism offers a claim of an ultimate purpose but if in actuality there isn't one we can still adopt Buddhist principles to give meaning to our lives and find an inner happiness and peace.

    VastmindsilverShoshin
  • Re: The sources of anxiety: expectations

    I've become pretty comfortable with myself and am happy on my own doing the things I like. I didn't move around when I was young but constantly found myself not fitting in with the group. So with others I don't show myself really, I assume out of fear of rejection.

    I would be fine off on my own somewhere but I get much benefit and need others for so much in my life that I can't get away and my life is better when I have a community of people to plug into, even if peripherally.

    So it is a struggle to be involved while avoiding being hurt.

    Keromekarasti
  • Re: Balancing Spiritual Life, Political Activism/Anger

    Before giving my 2 cents, I just want to kindly point out that the thread has slipped into anger over politics.

    I try to take a wider more long term view than the day to day or week to week developments in the vein that MLK talked about when he said the moral arc of the universe is long but it bends towards justice. That may be easier for me because I am relatively well protected from the discriminations and policy changes that Trump wants to enact.

    Take health care for example, the ACA was put in place and was immediately and repeatedly attacked. But even if they are able to repeal it and put something else in place, the idea that health insurance is a right or something that everyone should have has largely been subtly accepted. So a draconian republican plan that drops people and leaves them unprotected could have a popular backlash and make some sort of broad single payer plan more likely. We just can't know so easily the longterm outcomes.

    It reminds me of the old Buddhist story:

    There lived an old farmer who had worked on his fields for many, many years. One day, his horse bolted away. His neighbors dropped in to commiserate with him. “What awful luck,” they tut-tutted sympathetically, to which the farmer only replied, “We’ll see.”

    Next morning, to everyone’s surprise, the horse returned, bringing with it three other wild horses. “How amazing is that!” they exclaimed in excitement. The old man replied, “We’ll see.”

    A day later, the farmer’s son tried to mount one of the wild horses. He was thrown on the ground and broke his leg. Once more, the neighbors came by to express their sympathies for this stroke of bad luck. “We’ll see,” said the farmer politely.

    The next day, the village had some visitors – military officers who had come with the purpose of drafting young men into the army. They passed over the farmer’s son, thanks to his broken leg. The neighbors patted the farmer on his back – how lucky he was to not have his son join the army! “We’ll see,” was all that the farmer said

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