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  • Re: Death

    Death...piece of cake.

    Life...are you ready?

    Shoshin
  • Re: Meditation...A Selfless Pursuit

    While we are on the subject...who gets to choose how much thinking is normal? Been told I over-think things all the time. Must admit, usually told to me by people who I believe, under-think.

    I then realize that I have a subjective opinion of what the right amount of thinking is too. I think about what relative normal is when it comes to thinking. Then I think...

    Eventually I get dizzy and fall down.

    Then I laugh.

    Shoshin
  • Re: Balancing Spiritual Life, Political Activism/Anger

    @karasti said:
    So when you said now that we know, we can address the problem, I'm curious what you have in mind? How do you address it? As a country, we thought we had in the past, but it only resulted in pushing those people down until conditions were ripe for them to elect someone like Trump. It seems to me we need to deal with the conditions and the root causes more than just the people who believe in those things. But I still don't know how.

    Oddly, in spite of the @yagr tag, I wasn't alerted to this post. By the time I saw it I had to put off responding till the weekend. Anywho...

    There's so much in what you've written, I'm not sure where to start but let's try this: You said that as a country we thought we had addressed these issues but clearly we did not. Now we know. Information is power. I think we address it in a grassroots kind of way. For instance, in my place of employment, the person above my paygrade that I like the most is a Trump supporter. He's also a very kind-hearted man, hard-working, ethical, etc.

    I have looked for and found ways to discuss issues that have the potential to change the way that he views the world without challenging his views of the world. For instance, my department is made up entirely of American Indians. There are no other American Indians working in the company. Every department has its issues except one...mine. THAT is something he is very interested in. Our productivity has increased over 100% within the last year. There have been zero sick days taken by anyone who works for me over the last year. Zero tardies. He made it racial when he asked me what it was about these people that made them such good workers. I let him and educated him about the realities of life in the United States for this minority group.

    One in eight people on the reservation don't have running water. One in eleven don't have electricity. He was shocked. How is it that people in the United States choose to live that way? Then he discovered that we don't have city water access on the rez. Then he discovered that if we want electricity we need to pay $12.50 a foot and $600 per pole (at 150' increments) to get electricity to our home sites. Then he discovered that there is no public transportation to the city and jobs so that those who find themselves out of work have to travel 125 miles per day or more to get to the place with jobs. It was a surprise for him to learn that we don't need car insurance on the rez so even if you have a car, you can't drive off the rez to work until you get insurance and the never insured pay more.

    He exclaimed, "These people aren't lazy, the deck is stacked against them!" I watched the wheels turning as he said this and tried to think of ways that he could help expand opportunities for them. Last week he asked me to find some people from the rez that he could interview personally for a different department. Then, he went so far as to ask me what he should know about our culture that might impact his interpretations as to whether or not the interview was successful or not. Things like, living in a community where so many go without running water, they might not meet your standards of cleanliness and 'dressing up' for an interview, but if they know that it is required moving forward, they'll meet those requirements. He nodded along willing to overlook things like this in the short term. So, that's one guy...but it's a start.

    I guess in the end, it helps to not take adversarial positions against those who's beliefs are so different from ours, but to find common ground where possible - like our mutual desire to see the company we both work for be successful. Understanding that he does not think the way he thinks because he is evil but because he is ignorant, and not willfully ignorant, but experientially ignorant. Anywho, not sure that this is a template to save the world, but this fellow is changing his thinking, his world has gotten bigger, and I'm the one guy that he has confided in that he is second guessing his support for Trump - but don't tell anyone.

    personJeffreykarastiShoshinlobsterdhammachick
  • Re: Balancing Spiritual Life, Political Activism/Anger

    There are some good things about the Trump presidency. Yeah, that's right - I just said that. :)

    There are some very ugly things about this country that for the most part are covered up, ignored, and marginalized. They are now front and center. We cannot pretend they don't exist now because they are, arguably, on the world's greatest stage. How many of you are absolutely shocked that Trumps base of 35% or so are still behind this man and support whatever racist, sexist, homophobic, profanity-laced crude statement he makes? Those 35% have always been here. Now we know. You can't address a problem if you don't know the problem exists or suppose it is just a tiny fraction of its true size.

    Two, the pendulum can only swing so far to the right before correcting itself (actually, over-correcting itself). People who never cared about politics now care. People who cared but never got involved, are getting involved. People who were involved but never ran for office are beginning to do so. The country will be better because of this.

    We live in a much different world than I was born into. The world has gotten so much smaller (like print in magazines and newspapers), and we are now part of a global community. There were many in this country who resisted that and I can see them softening and rethinking their position as the fear of what isolation might mean for the United States becomes more likely as Trump tries to go it alone. I think we, as a country, are going to be more willing to embrace the idea of being part of a global community as we move forward which will benefit people all around the world.

    Besides, like everything else, this too shall pass.

    lobsterShoshinKannonkarastiperson
  • Re: One flew over the cuckoo's nest

    @karasti said:

    I read a great article yesterday on addiction, and a doctor who works with the center for addiction studies and is treating the link between addictions of all sorts (including sex, internet, food and of course drugs and alcohol) and what they call "Adverse Childhood Events."

    A short aside: Question seven on the test is, "Before your 18th birthday, was your mother or stepmother:often or very often pushed, grabbed, slapped, or had something thrown at her? or sometimes, often, or very often kicked, bitten, hit with a fist, or hit with something hard? or ever repeatedly hit over at least a few minutes or threatened with a gun or knife?

    I've always been frustrated by the double standard here. Dad ended up in the ER too many times to count because of my mother...but it is irrelevant to the test.

    More to the point of the thread though, I'm not surprised that the systems work poorly; I'm surprised they work at all.

    Shoshin