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Davey, by hating them you keep the cycle going. As I stated before, the teachings are that we have all committed even worse crimes in past lives, so who are we to judge? It is better to recognize that we are all the same in our true nature, despite our confusion and delusion. No one is better than anyone else, and no one is worse than anyone else. Yes, it's not the way we are taught to think. But has that ordinary thinking gotten us liberated from the wheel of death and rebirth?
Sure, of course. I've noticed that often I don't really get some particular teaching until I've heard about a hundred times! It just takes time for it all to sink in because it's so radically different from the way we are taught to think. So I wouldn't worry about it.
Palzang,
I totally disagree with you. Just because people have gotten fed up with getting raped by their reps., doesn't make them racists, or xenophobes. I gave up on America 11 yrs. ago, and have only visited twice in that time. I see the tea party people as folks, ineffectual I'm sure, but trying to cause a change, on a sinking ship. I say good for them, but also too little too late. I'm certain things are going to get much worse back home, and I'm quite content to sit it out over here. But adversity will bring out the strength in the American people again, and the culture and its people will become something better than the weak pieces of shit they have been for the last few decades. One question though: Why do you hate white people so much? I am actually ambivalent to people's outside coverings, but feel a little cold when I see a white man put down his own people. Either you have been brainwashed into hating yourself, or else you are trying to mask your own racism, in order to score brownis pts. from the opposite more liberal sex, I'm guessin. And its a little suprising coming from a buddhist who shows himself off wearing the robes. I'm guessin your actually a poseur, and a hack, who loves to dress up for everyday Halloween, and get some real needed attention. Try having some respect for yourself Hage(thats Japanese... ask one of your friend to translate)
Palzang,
One more thing. If we are all one, then what is wrong with people being racists? In fact, being all facets of the same one, wouldn't you agree that the more diverse, and even pathological among "us" is in fact a good thing, and contributes to the experience of all of "us"? Wouldn't the whole experience be a waste, and boring as hell, if everyone loved everyone, (or at least pretended ...right, buddy?) and became a mindless hippy wannabe, toxic character assassinator, such as yourself? Its better to hate without reason, than to be spineless in the shadows, and full of one's own self-deluded sense of superiority. By the way, I just joined this forum, and I'm glad to make friends with all. Even you, Palzang Cheers!
Skotowms, if I have to explain to you what is wrong with people being racist, I don't see much hope in having a conversation with you. Have you seen the signs people carry at teabagger rallies? Have you heard their illogical, incoherent rants? Totally racist, homophobic trash. If your idea of everybody being equal is that anybody can do anything they want, I would suggest you actually study the Buddha's teachings. That is not at all what he meant when he said that we're all equal.
those idiots who crashed into world trade center, killing thousands of people in the process don't deserve any compassion.
davey, as mahatma gandhi said, "an eye for an eye will make the whole world blind." what he is really saying here is that you cannot fight hatred with hatred. at some point someone has to stand up and be the bigger person and forgive, otherwise it will never end.
do you really think that those who crashed into the world trade center were born with this mission? no, they were disillusioned. it is not human nature to wish to destroy each other and our hatred will only create more people like this... that is, if it doesn't destroy us first. hatred often hurts the hater much more than the hated.
And if you'd like to know what the whole "teabagger revolution" is really about, read this editorial in the New York Times.
Palzang
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Palzang,
One more thing. If we are all one, then what is wrong with people being racists? In fact, being all facets of the same one, wouldn't you agree that the more diverse, and even pathological among "us" is in fact a good thing, and contributes to the experience of all of "us"? Wouldn't the whole experience be a waste, and boring as hell, if everyone loved everyone, (or at least pretended ...right, buddy?) and became a mindless hippy wannabe, toxic character assassinator, such as yourself? Its better to hate without reason, than to be spineless in the shadows, and full of one's own self-deluded sense of superiority. By the way, I just joined this forum, and I'm glad to make friends with all. Even you, Palzang Cheers!
And, Davey, as we see with this wonderful example of a person one could feel hatred towards, I'm sure we wouldn't make them any more open-minded and stuff with hatred.
Happiness be with you friend.
davey, as mahatma gandhi said, "an eye for an eye will make the whole world blind." what he is really saying here is that you cannot fight hatred with hatred. at some point someone has to stand up and be the bigger person and forgive, otherwise it will never end.
do you really think that those who crashed into the world trade center were born with this mission? no, they were disillusioned. it is not human nature to wish to destroy each other and our hatred will only create more people like this... that is, if it doesn't destroy us first. hatred often hurts the hater much more than the hated.
I understand that.... they have been trained when they were just kids, told they will go to heaven and will get 40(?) virgins when they kill others in the name of Islam or whatever. these kids will grow up and teach others to do the same thing. what can be done to break this cycle?
Kill them all, everyone? nuke the whole country <sounds a really great idea to me> or maybe not.
much the same reason that you gave for why people are suicide bombers.
people are raised with these beliefs. they don't get enough exposure to other races, which would probably change their previous mindset (ignorance). when they do gain exposure, probably later in life, not only do they respond in fear or anger (which has a result on what feedback they receive from this person)... but their own confirmation bias make them see what they want to see.
it's like the famous picture comparison that was made around the time of hurricane katrina in new orleans:
the person who made this article clearly was a racist, but they may not have meant to be. their prejudice has diluted their mind. they saw the african american, and because of their racist feelings, took the act of taking food from a grocery store (which was probably already destroyed) and gave it the negative term "looting". however, when they see the white people, they don't feel negatively toward the situation and say that they "found" the food. when in reality, anyone can see that the act is exactly the same in both cases. confirmation bias makes you see what you want to see in the situation. this is how people continue to be racist.
there is a reason that stereotypes exist and more often than not, it is because SOME people ARE like that. it becomes prejudice when you allow that idea to make EVERY person who is that race or sex or sexuality seem that way in your mind.
the correct attitude is to try and see every person as no different than yourself. try not to let previous experiences dilute your view of this person and instead allow them to be their own person, a clean slate. we are all the sum of many different experiences in life, and while some groups may have similar struggles or experiences, it would be foolish to assume that it will affect each person in the same way... thus making them the same.
much the same reason that you gave for why people are suicide bombers.
people are raised with these beliefs. they don't get enough exposure to other races, which would probably change their previous mindset (ignorance). when they do gain exposure, probably later in life, not only do they respond in fear or anger (which has a result on what feedback they receive from this person)... but their own confirmation bias make them see what they want to see.
it's like the famous picture comparison that was made around the time of hurricane katrina in new orleans:
the person who made this article clearly was a racist, but they may not have meant to be. their prejudice has diluted their mind. they saw the african american, and because of their racist feelings, took the act of taking food from a grocery store (which was probably already destroyed) and gave it the negative term "looting". however, when they see the white people, they don't feel negatively toward the situation and say that they "found" the food. when in reality, anyone can see that the act is exactly the same in both cases. confirmation bias makes you see what you want to see in the situation. this is how people continue to be racist.
there is a reason that stereotypes exist and more often than not, it is because SOME people ARE like that. it becomes prejudice when you allow that idea to make EVERY person who is that race or sex or sexuality seem that way in your mind.
the correct attitude is to try and see every person as no different than yourself. try not to let previous experiences dilute your view of this person and instead allow them to be their own person, a clean slate. we are all the sum of many different experiences in life, and while some groups may have similar struggles or experiences, it would be foolish to assume that it will affect each person in the same way... thus making them the same.
nice example. miserable world.
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zombiegirlbeating the drum of the lifelessin a dry wastelandVeteran
you asked me why i thought people were racist, i simply answered your question. but if you want my opinion, i think it's getting better all the time. i think the internet has made us a much closer world than we could imagine. no need for frowns.
a small example, i returned home for a visit a few weeks ago and went out to breakfast with my mother at a local diner. as we were about to leave, i saw the two cutest gay high school boys and about died. i have never seen anyone be openly gay in my town... it was... awesome. i'm so happy that my little town is growing up
"Racism is simply an ugly form of collectivism, the mindset that views humans strictly as members of groups rather than individuals. Racists believe that all individuals who share superficial physical characteristics are alike: as collectivists, racists think only in terms of groups. By encouraging Americans to adopt a group mentality, the advocates of so-called "diversity" actually perpetuate racism. Their obsession with racial group identity is inherently racist."
there is a reason that stereotypes exist and more often than not, it is because SOME people ARE like that. it becomes prejudice when you allow that idea to make EVERY person who is that race or sex or sexuality seem that way in your mind.
That is incredibly annoying :mad: There are people in my school who think every Pakistani is a suicide terrorist (obviously not true), girl speak in really squeeky voice and act really girlish (which is so obviously not true you want to scrape said person's eyes out) and that all gay people flap their hands about and have high voices (which is also shockingly obviously amazingly clearly not true because not a single human being ever has or will do a 'friend' of mine's impression of a gay person). It's those things that make me really want to (excuse the hateful speech) but hurt somebody to the extent of permanent damage, if not death. Which also isn't very good on my part, but we can't all be perfect :wtf:
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zombiegirlbeating the drum of the lifelessin a dry wastelandVeteran
That is incredibly annoying :mad: There are people in my school who think every Pakistani is a suicide terrorist (obviously not true), girl speak in really squeeky voice and act really girlish (which is so obviously not true you want to scrape said person's eyes out) and that all gay people flap their hands about and have high voices (which is also shockingly obviously amazingly clearly not true because not a single human being ever has or will do a 'friend' of mine's impression of a gay person). It's those things that make me really want to (excuse the hateful speech) but hurt somebody to the extent of permanent damage, if not death. Which also isn't very good on my part, but we can't all be perfect :wtf:
as frustrating as it may be, remember that the person whom is racist or believes all gay men are complete queens is just as deserving of compassion as the minorities themselves. all it is is ignorance. be thankful that you are among the few who can see and recognize this. and remember your anger only hurts yourself. they aren't the person carrying around this burden of unwanted feelings, you are. try not to let them effect you in this way.
but i have to a say... a slight guilty pleasure of mine when things like this happen... most people would not know that i am gay to look at me. i'm not your typical femme girl, but i'm not a stereotypical lesbian either. so it does happen often that in places like work, people will say very ignorant things about gay people and expect that i agree. it scares the crap out of them when instead you just say, "you know, you should really be more careful who you talk to. one of the odd things about being gay is that you can't tell who is and who isn't."
i know i shouldn't take pleasure in watching people put their foot in their mouth... but it is rather satisfying. for some reason or another, prejudice views really do seem to thrive on a group mentality. it really throws a wrench at people when you don't agree with them and their flawed thinking. i take a similar approach to racists or sexists or people who discriminate against transgenders, for example. the point is, just don't join in. it makes them feel weird.
I totally agree with you, the people who need compassion the most are the least deserving
And I can't blame you for your guilty pleasure, it does sound quite fun I always try and make the 'normals' feel weird. My dad and his girlfriend and her kids are all homophobic and racist so they thrive off each other's hateful energy :eek: Plus I always tell people who consider themselves normal and some other people weird I just tell them I feel sorry for them because not a single person who's ever made it into the history's books or left their mark on the world or did anything great (be it good or bad) were normal. Normal is for the slackers of this world. Do hummingbirds get the nectre other animals can't by having normal sized bills? Do squirrels have the ability to flit through the trees and, as a whole species, we incredibly successful by being normal? Do hunting dogs get their prey by having normal stamina? Have most birds and some mammals conquered the sky by having normal bones? No. They haven't have they? Hm?
And then I look that person straight in the eye and say, :PWNED:
True. One of my class mates as a joke once said,
"Let's go gay hunting for you birthday," (to Callum). Then Callum said something to do with handbags (:rolleyes:) and they both started laughing but just ignored them and carried on with my work and their laughter just sort of died and you could cut the atmosphere with a blunt hammer
"Racism is simply an ugly form of collectivism, the mindset that views humans strictly as members of groups rather than individuals. Racists believe that all individuals who share superficial physical characteristics are alike: as collectivists, racists think only in terms of groups. By encouraging Americans to adopt a group mentality, the advocates of so-called "diversity" actually perpetuate racism. Their obsession with racial group identity is inherently racist."
True. One of my class mates as a joke once said,
"Let's go gay hunting for you birthday," (to Callum). Then Callum said something to do with handbags (:rolleyes:) and they both started laughing but just ignored them and carried on with my work and their laughter just sort of died and you could cut the atmosphere with a blunt hammer
it's the most unfortunate when they take it from simply being an ignorant joke, to implying violence and even making light of the fact. i've been there before and i think i would have done just as you did. it's best to be calm and collected and wow them with some amazing insight that makes them realize how wrong they are! ....but if you can't do that, and you find you can't respond without anger, it's best to just not respond at all.
you asked me why i thought people were racist, i simply answered your question. but if you want my opinion, i think it's getting better all the time. i think the internet has made us a much closer world than we could imagine. no need for frowns.
a small example, i returned home for a visit a few weeks ago and went out to breakfast with my mother at a local diner. as we were about to leave, i saw the two cutest gay high school boys and about died. i have never seen anyone be openly gay in my town... it was... awesome. i'm so happy that my little town is growing up
I have to agree to that... Internet has brought everyone closer and put everything in the open, and because of it people are viewing certain things from a different/ more open angle. The concept of what is right or wrong or normal has also changed. And yeah... It is a great thing that people are taking a more open minded view of things.
"Racism is simply an ugly form of collectivism, the mindset that views humans strictly as members of groups rather than individuals. Racists believe that all individuals who share superficial physical characteristics are alike: as collectivists, racists think only in terms of groups. By encouraging Americans to adopt a group mentality, the advocates of so-called "diversity" actually perpetuate racism. Their obsession with racial group identity is inherently racist."
I totally agree with you, the people who need compassion the most are the least deserving
And I can't blame you for your guilty pleasure, it does sound quite fun I always try and make the 'normals' feel weird. My dad and his girlfriend and her kids are all homophobic and racist so they thrive off each other's hateful energy :eek: Plus I always tell people who consider themselves normal and some other people weird I just tell them I feel sorry for them because not a single person who's ever made it into the history's books or left their mark on the world or did anything great (be it good or bad) were normal. Normal is for the slackers of this world. Do hummingbirds get the nectre other animals can't by having normal sized bills? Do squirrels have the ability to flit through the trees and, as a whole species, we incredibly successful by being normal? Do hunting dogs get their prey by having normal stamina? Have most birds and some mammals conquered the sky by having normal bones? No. They haven't have they? Hm?
And then I look that person straight in the eye and say, :PWNED:
Hey are you going against every normal person out there ???
True. One of my class mates as a joke once said,
"Let's go gay hunting for you birthday," (to Callum). Then Callum said something to do with handbags (:rolleyes:) and they both started laughing but just ignored them and carried on with my work and their laughter just sort of died and you could cut the atmosphere with a blunt hammer
it sorta like you need two hands to clap/make sound.
it's the most unfortunate when they take it from simply being an ignorant joke, to implying violence and even making light of the fact. i've been there before and i think i would have done just as you did. it's best to be calm and collected and wow them with some amazing insight that makes them realize how wrong they are! ....but if you can't do that, and you find you can't respond without anger, it's best to just not respond at all.
Very true, it's proven that men who are certain and not deluded about their heterosexuality aren't usually homophobic. Therefore homophobes are uncertain about their own sexuality, usually, and probably think saying nasty things about LGBT they think that makes them straight. Really it makes them deluded jerks.
There was this boy in my class and he called someone gay and said because they were gay they needed to be moved to a different school. I just said they only have special school for people with special need *cough cough hint hint*
I watched a film about Harvey's life. I think the gay school's a bad idea, think how you'd feel if they made a school just for straight kids. It's a terrible idea in fact, and I'm strongly against it.
However, a support group would not be a bad idea. I'm of the same opinion towards special needs schools.
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Palzang
those idiots who crashed into world trade center, killing thousands of people in the process don't deserve any compassion.
Palzang
Palzang
I totally disagree with you. Just because people have gotten fed up with getting raped by their reps., doesn't make them racists, or xenophobes. I gave up on America 11 yrs. ago, and have only visited twice in that time. I see the tea party people as folks, ineffectual I'm sure, but trying to cause a change, on a sinking ship. I say good for them, but also too little too late. I'm certain things are going to get much worse back home, and I'm quite content to sit it out over here. But adversity will bring out the strength in the American people again, and the culture and its people will become something better than the weak pieces of shit they have been for the last few decades. One question though: Why do you hate white people so much? I am actually ambivalent to people's outside coverings, but feel a little cold when I see a white man put down his own people. Either you have been brainwashed into hating yourself, or else you are trying to mask your own racism, in order to score brownis pts. from the opposite more liberal sex, I'm guessin. And its a little suprising coming from a buddhist who shows himself off wearing the robes. I'm guessin your actually a poseur, and a hack, who loves to dress up for everyday Halloween, and get some real needed attention. Try having some respect for yourself Hage(thats Japanese... ask one of your friend to translate)
One more thing. If we are all one, then what is wrong with people being racists? In fact, being all facets of the same one, wouldn't you agree that the more diverse, and even pathological among "us" is in fact a good thing, and contributes to the experience of all of "us"? Wouldn't the whole experience be a waste, and boring as hell, if everyone loved everyone, (or at least pretended
Palzang
Palzang
davey, as mahatma gandhi said, "an eye for an eye will make the whole world blind." what he is really saying here is that you cannot fight hatred with hatred. at some point someone has to stand up and be the bigger person and forgive, otherwise it will never end.
do you really think that those who crashed into the world trade center were born with this mission? no, they were disillusioned. it is not human nature to wish to destroy each other and our hatred will only create more people like this... that is, if it doesn't destroy us first. hatred often hurts the hater much more than the hated.
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Down with the statists. The liberal view is crumbling before their eyes. Good.
Happiness be with you friend.
I understand that.... they have been trained when they were just kids, told they will go to heaven and will get 40(?) virgins when they kill others in the name of Islam or whatever. these kids will grow up and teach others to do the same thing. what can be done to break this cycle?
Kill them all, everyone? nuke the whole country <sounds a really great idea to me>
It's another form of tribalism.
Collectivism.
much the same reason that you gave for why people are suicide bombers.
people are raised with these beliefs. they don't get enough exposure to other races, which would probably change their previous mindset (ignorance). when they do gain exposure, probably later in life, not only do they respond in fear or anger (which has a result on what feedback they receive from this person)... but their own confirmation bias make them see what they want to see.
it's like the famous picture comparison that was made around the time of hurricane katrina in new orleans:
the person who made this article clearly was a racist, but they may not have meant to be. their prejudice has diluted their mind. they saw the african american, and because of their racist feelings, took the act of taking food from a grocery store (which was probably already destroyed) and gave it the negative term "looting". however, when they see the white people, they don't feel negatively toward the situation and say that they "found" the food. when in reality, anyone can see that the act is exactly the same in both cases. confirmation bias makes you see what you want to see in the situation. this is how people continue to be racist.
there is a reason that stereotypes exist and more often than not, it is because SOME people ARE like that. it becomes prejudice when you allow that idea to make EVERY person who is that race or sex or sexuality seem that way in your mind.
the correct attitude is to try and see every person as no different than yourself. try not to let previous experiences dilute your view of this person and instead allow them to be their own person, a clean slate. we are all the sum of many different experiences in life, and while some groups may have similar struggles or experiences, it would be foolish to assume that it will affect each person in the same way... thus making them the same.
hmm. another word to describe it.
nice example. miserable world.
samsara.
you asked me why i thought people were racist, i simply answered your question. but if you want my opinion, i think it's getting better all the time. i think the internet has made us a much closer world than we could imagine. no need for frowns.
a small example, i returned home for a visit a few weeks ago and went out to breakfast with my mother at a local diner. as we were about to leave, i saw the two cutest gay high school boys and about died. i have never seen anyone be openly gay in my town... it was... awesome. i'm so happy that my little town is growing up
Explain.
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That is incredibly annoying :mad: There are people in my school who think every Pakistani is a suicide terrorist (obviously not true), girl speak in really squeeky voice and act really girlish (which is so obviously not true you want to scrape said person's eyes out) and that all gay people flap their hands about and have high voices (which is also shockingly obviously amazingly clearly not true because not a single human being ever has or will do a 'friend' of mine's impression of a gay person). It's those things that make me really want to (excuse the hateful speech) but hurt somebody to the extent of permanent damage, if not death. Which also isn't very good on my part, but we can't all be perfect :wtf:
as frustrating as it may be, remember that the person whom is racist or believes all gay men are complete queens is just as deserving of compassion as the minorities themselves. all it is is ignorance. be thankful that you are among the few who can see and recognize this. and remember your anger only hurts yourself. they aren't the person carrying around this burden of unwanted feelings, you are. try not to let them effect you in this way.
but i have to a say... a slight guilty pleasure of mine when things like this happen... most people would not know that i am gay to look at me. i'm not your typical femme girl, but i'm not a stereotypical lesbian either. so it does happen often that in places like work, people will say very ignorant things about gay people and expect that i agree. it scares the crap out of them when instead you just say, "you know, you should really be more careful who you talk to. one of the odd things about being gay is that you can't tell who is and who isn't."
i know i shouldn't take pleasure in watching people put their foot in their mouth... but it is rather satisfying. for some reason or another, prejudice views really do seem to thrive on a group mentality. it really throws a wrench at people when you don't agree with them and their flawed thinking. i take a similar approach to racists or sexists or people who discriminate against transgenders, for example. the point is, just don't join in. it makes them feel weird.
And I can't blame you for your guilty pleasure, it does sound quite fun
And then I look that person straight in the eye and say, :PWNED:
True. One of my class mates as a joke once said,
"Let's go gay hunting for you birthday," (to Callum). Then Callum said something to do with handbags (:rolleyes:) and they both started laughing but just ignored them and carried on with my work and their laughter just sort of died and you could cut the atmosphere with a blunt hammer
This coming from someone who published a, at times, staggeringly racist newsletter? Sorry, but I don't put much stock into what Ron Paul says there.
I have to agree to that... Internet has brought everyone closer and put everything in the open, and because of it people are viewing certain things from a different/ more open angle. The concept of what is right or wrong or normal has also changed. And yeah... It is a great thing that people are taking a more open minded view of things.
I think they just hide behind that facade.
Hey are you going against every normal person out there ???
it sorta like you need two hands to clap/make sound.
Like what, being surrounded by hot guys?
they do, just not many.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harvey_Milk_High_School
I would support more school choice then.
I watched a film about Harvey's life. I think the gay school's a bad idea, think how you'd feel if they made a school just for straight kids. It's a terrible idea in fact, and I'm strongly against it.
However, a support group would not be a bad idea. I'm of the same opinion towards special needs schools.