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Did Hitler STudy with Tibetan Lamas?
They say Hitler's Charisma....was inherited from tibetan lamas...that's what I've heard. Is this true or a myth?
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http://www.berzinarchives.com/web/en/archives/advanced/kalachakra/shambhala/nazi_connection_shambhala_tibet.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1938–1939_German_expedition_to_Tibet
They were however just humans, they felt love and compassion and hate and anger and confusion and hope and all the rest of it...
Nice avatar, Shanyin. Looking very corporate, haha!
And thank you, it's a new credit card I have coming out. :P
Cool, got to use the word "fabulist" . :thumbup:
@RichardH re: "Way Out there" OP's--we're fearless!
From LA Times:
Harrer, who had never publicly discussed or written about his past, conceded in response to the article that he had joined the Nazi Party and the SS as an athletic coach after Germany took control of Austria in 1938. But he said he did so only to gain membership in a teachers' organization, enabling him to join a government-financed Himalayan expedition.
He also initiated a meeting on June 30, 1997, with Nazi hunter Simon Wiesenthal, who died last year. Afterward, Wiesenthal gave Harrer something of a stamp of approval, saying Harrer had not been involved in politics and was innocent of wrongdoing. Harrer publicly denounced his Nazi membership as a "stupid mistake" and an "ideological error."
http://articles.latimes.com/2006/jan/10/local/me-harrer10
The Chinese government works very hard to say that Harrer's friendship with the young Dalai Lama equates to a "Tibetan connection to Naziism."
Here's a classic example of the CCP using the swastika in an attempt to connect Tibetans to Naziism:
http://www.revivethedream.cn/Revive_the_dream/blog/Entries/2008/3/27_The_Secret_Truth_about_The_Dalai_Lama.html
No, the just don't want to be associated with nazism
hehe
Burma
Red Swastika Society, China, 1930’s.
The Red Swastika Society (世界紅卍字會) is a voluntary association founded in China as the philanthropic branch of the Daodeshe (道德社) “Society of Dao and Virtue”, a syncretist Daoist school, which changed at the same time its name to Daoyuan. It was one of a number of new transnational world redemptive societies founded at the time in China, drawing on Western examples such as the Red Cross to build charitable institutions grounded in religions such as Buddhism and Daoism. (The swastika is a Buddhist/Hindu religious symbol.)
Forgive me, but this illustrates exactly why other countries think that the USA is utterly clueless about political matters outside their confines....
Unlike this 'handful of people there in the US', there are three generations of Europeans who still smart at the word, 'Nazi', still have dreadful, spine-chilling memories of the atrocities perpetrated by Germans in Prisoner-of-War camps, and countless millions of jews who came to view the swastika with fear and dread... and many still do.
The name 'Hitler' doesn't exist in either Germany or Austria (you know Hitler was Austrian, and not German, right....?) and the Nazi salute is punishable by imprisonment.
Memories are long, in Europe.... and all too many people here, are still painfully aware of history.
Even in Germany it wasn't well-known until a couple of blockbuster books were published in the last few years, outlining the DL's involvement with Nazi researchers who went to Tibet.
I would imagine most people were otherwise preoccupied....
Information travelled more slowly then, and given that an enormous amount of educational literature was deliberately destroyed, access to such information was to all intents and purposes, non-existent....
controlling governments have done this throughout history. Destroyed educational and informative literature, they felt was divisive and contra to what they wished to control....
The maker's full name is "Hitler Collins" - his mother so resented the English, that she (and many other Irish) hoped fervently that Hitler would win. Many people were not really aware of the full extent of the Nazi Horror until after the war.
I think it's unfair that all Tibetans would be stigmatized just because of some crazy Nazis latching onto some of their traditions. It's hard to believe they are, aside from in China.
I remember during one teaching when Geshe Sopa said "No matter what you have done in life, you can work to address it. Anything. Even if you have killed someone." At the moment he said that, he looked at someone in the class who was silently crying. It was a very heavy and unforgettable feeling, but also left me pondering the depths of Buddhist forgiveness--or what Christians might call forgiveness.
But even if the "Nazis" who may have visited Tibet were murderers themselves, which I'm not sure they were, if they learned even a tiny bit about dharma, that could have been a good thing.
From another perspective, if the "Nazi" climber Harrer was in any way responsible for the Dalai Lama's character, then I sincerely hope Harrer went on to influence other students!
In fact, this was one of the key points often brought up in the era of the post-WWII Nazi trials. At what level should Germans who were Nazis be held responsible, and in what way should those people be punished?
Should Hitler and his immediate deputies be held responsible?
Should the workers who were in the concentration camps who turned on the gas showers or tortured prisoners or cremated corpses be held responsible?
Should those who enthusiastically attended mass rallies and those who supported Hitler in newspapers be held responsible?
Should those who simply turned their backs and pretended not to know be held responsible?