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If Buddha walked over a glass bottle and cut him-self.. Would he feel the pain? and say 'OUCH'!!
zenmyste
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Considering he was only human, im guessing he still felt pain.
Apparently, according to some traditions he died from 'Food Poisoning' so at this time of illness, surely he would have suffered and been uncomfortable wouldnt he?
(no one enjoys being sick) YUK!
I only ask because I have read some people who think he was some God-like Powerful man etc ..
But he was just a normal guy right? (or could have been made up, who knows?)
Cheers!
Apparently, according to some traditions he died from 'Food Poisoning' so at this time of illness, surely he would have suffered and been uncomfortable wouldnt he?
(no one enjoys being sick) YUK!
I only ask because I have read some people who think he was some God-like Powerful man etc ..
But he was just a normal guy right? (or could have been made up, who knows?)
Cheers!
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Even Christians acknowledge that Jesus "suffered and died," yet he's worshipped.
Could you provide some links/sources to these people who say the Buddha is a god? I know about the deification of the Buddha/Buddhas in Asia, but I haven't really encountered anything/anyone that's said Gautama Buddha could never be harmed or whatever. Clearly, he died.
Here is the sutta which explains this: Because at occasions he said that the freedom/knowledge of "the well-instructed disciple of the noble ones" is the same as his, I see no reason to think the above would not apply to the Buddha.
But would he say OUCH? Probably not, because that's more of a mental thing.
Metta!
"So, bhikkhus any kind of form whatever,...Any kind of feeling whatever...Any kind of perception whatever...Any kind of determination whatever...Any kind of consciousness whatever, whether past, future or presently arisen, whether gross or subtle, whether in oneself or external, whether inferior or superior, whether far or near must, with right understanding how it is, be regarded thus: 'This is not mine, this is not I, this is not my self."
feeling: unpleasant
would this cause craving and clinging?
"i am" feeling this pain. (this and that duality)
i am feeling this pain because i touched a glass bottle and it cut my hand.
i think there would be sensation, but it would not lead to becoming, thus no suffering.
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/sn/sn22/sn22.001.than.html
But the Buddha would also understand that this cut is not self and is but a temporary arising.
Do it badly, or do it well.
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/sn/sn01/sn01.038.than.html
"I have heard that on one occasion the Blessed One was staying near Rajagaha at the Maddakucchi Deer Reserve. Now at that time his foot had been pierced by a stone sliver. Excruciating were the bodily feelings that developed within him — painful, fierce, sharp, wracking, repellent, disagreeable — but he endured them mindful, alert, & unperturbed. Having had his outer robe folded in four and laid out, he lay down on his right side in the lion's posture, with one foot placed on top of the other, mindful & alert.
Then 700 devatas from the Satullapa retinue, in the far extreme of the night, their extreme radiance lighting up the entirety of Maddakucchi, went to the Blessed One. On arrival, having bowed down to him, they stood to one side.
As she was standing there, one of the devatas exclaimed in the Blessed One's presence: "What a naga is Gotama the contemplative! And like a naga, when bodily feelings have arisen — painful, fierce, sharp, wracking, repellent, disagreeable — he endures them mindful, alert, & unperturbed!"
Then another devata exclaimed in the Blessed One's presence: "What a lion is Gotama the contemplative! And like a lion, when bodily feelings have arisen — painful, fierce, sharp, wracking, repellent, disagreeable — he endures them mindful, alert, & unperturbed!""
Etc etc
Or maybe both :eek2:
This is something I posted in another thread....
Let's not be too fey about it.....
I'm quite sure it would hurt, like everyone else has said.
I just happen to agree with it....nobody else has to.....
It still gets you to the destination but you might have to travel through a farmers field and a duck pond on your way there.
You can test this kind of thing for yourself - think of a food you don't like but that others like. Clearly the unpleasantness is to do with your reaction to the food, not the food itself.
The suttas clearly state that even in unpleasant feeling, the noble one sees an escape from the suffering therein. http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/sn/sn36/sn36.006.than.html
Who says the teachings are not timeless?
Just to add, I recommend studying the sutta posted above. The Buddha explains that most people sense feelings 'as though joined' with them, blind spots if you will, so they don't see the cause of stress, and in this case they try to blot out unpleasant feeling with pleasant feeling. Mindfulness detaches us from feelings so that we have the space to gain insight into them. In understanding this we can refute a common criticism of Buddhism, that it leads to detachment and coldness, as we see that detachment is only a tool for gaining insight, not a goal.
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/sn/sn36/sn36.006.than.html