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was Christ a Buddha?
Vincenzi
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...after 3 days in arupa-dhatu, and then resurrecting.
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apart from that, Christ may have entered into a deep samadhi to help survive the crucifixation, such as the cessation of perception & feeling
this would stop his diaphramic breathing
(however, we must keep in mind Jesus had many influential friends, such as the "centurian", and that Jesus was not hanging on the cross for very long. the two fellow crucifees were not even dead when Jesus was declared dead, according to the Gospel of John)
but mastering such a samadhi does not mean he was a Buddha because such attainments are not the liberating dhamma of Buddhism. many yogis master samadhi states
the evidence Jesus was not a Buddha is he did not teach the Four Noble Truths; he did not teach emptiness (sunnata)
the evidence Jesus was not a Buddha is that Jesus explicity sought to reform a godly religion, i.e., Judaism, and entered the temples to claim them as his own, turning over tables and doing other forms of disruptive
the evidence Jesus was not a Buddha is that Jesus explicity sought to reform a godly religion, i.e., Judaism, and entered the temples to claim them as his own, turning over tables and doing other forms of disruptive behaviour
but Buddha did not ever seek to reform Brahmanism. Buddha simply set up his own religion and helped Brahmins understand their religion
Jesus was not a Buddha
kind regards
you seem to be interpreting arupa-dhatu as some "place" rather than a state of mind
the Buddha taught arupa-jhanas are conditioned states of mind or acts of will (rather than some "place")
Jesus taught about "God", "self", "soul", "Father", etc
Jesus was a Brahmin
Buddhism teaches Brahma thinks he is the "Father of All"
Buddhism teaches the way to Brahma is via love
Jesus was a Brahmin and not a Buddha
When our mind is not free from "self", it still believes Jesus was "holy"
Later, knowing that everything had now been finished, and so that Scripture would be fulfilled, Jesus said, “I am thirsty.” A jar of wine vinegar was there, so they soaked a sponge in it, put the sponge on a stalk of the hyssop plant, and lifted it to Jesus’ lips. When he had received the drink, Jesus said, “It is finished.” With that, he bowed his head and gave up his spirit.
Now it was the day of Preparation, and the next day was to be a special Sabbath. Because the Jewish leaders did not want the bodies left on the crosses during the Sabbath, they asked Pilate to have the legs broken and the bodies taken down. The soldiers therefore came and broke the legs of the first man who had been crucified with Jesus, and then those of the other. 33 But when they came to Jesus and found that he was already dead, they did not break his legs. Instead, one of the soldiers pierced Jesus’ side with a spear, bringing a sudden flow of blood and water.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+19&version=NIV
5 When Jesus had entered Capernaum, a centurion came to him, asking for help. 6 “Lord,” he said, “my servant lies at home paralyzed, suffering terribly.”
7 Jesus said to him, “Shall I come and heal him?”
8 The centurion replied, “Lord, I do not deserve to have you come under my roof. But just say the word, and my servant will be healed. 9 For I myself am a man under authority, with soldiers under me. I tell this one, ‘Go,’ and he goes; and that one, ‘Come,’ and he comes. I say to my servant, ‘Do this,’ and he does it.”
10 When Jesus heard this, he was amazed and said to those following him, “Truly I tell you, I have not found anyone in Israel with such great faith. 11 I say to you that many will come from the east and the west, and will take their places at the feast with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven. 12 But the subjects of the kingdom will be thrown outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”
13 Then Jesus said to the centurion, “Go! Let it be done just as you believed it would.” And his servant was healed at that moment.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew+8&version=NIV
33 At noon, darkness came over the whole land until three in the afternoon. 34 And at three in the afternoon Jesus cried out in a loud voice, “Eloi, Eloi, lema sabachthani?” (which means “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”).
35 When some of those standing near heard this, they said, “Listen, he’s calling Elijah.”
36 Someone ran, filled a sponge with wine vinegar, put it on a staff, and offered it to Jesus to drink. “Now leave him alone. Let’s see if Elijah comes to take him down,” he said.
37 With a loud cry, Jesus breathed his last.
38 The curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom.
And when the centurion, who stood there in front of Jesus, saw how he died,[c] he said, “Surely this man was the Son of God!”
40 Some women were watching from a distance. Among them were Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James the younger and of Joseph,[d] and Salome. 41 In Galilee these women had followed him and cared for his needs. Many other women who had come up with him to Jerusalem were also there.
The Burial of Jesus
42 It was Preparation Day (that is, the day before the Sabbath). So as evening approached, 43 Joseph of Arimathea, a prominent member of the Council, who was himself waiting for the kingdom of God, went boldly to Pilate and asked for Jesus’ body. 44 Pilate was surprised to hear that he was already dead. Summoning the centurion, he asked him if Jesus had already died. 45 When he learned from the centurion that it was so, he gave the body to Joseph. 46 So Joseph bought some linen cloth, took down the body, wrapped it in the linen, and placed it in a tomb cut out of rock. Then he rolled a stone against the entrance of the tomb. 47 Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of Joseph saw where he was laid.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark+15&version=NIV
When we are hungry for love, we take delight in any form of love, be it Buddha, Christ, HHDL, whatever, etc
But when we are hungry for emptiness & the end of suffering, Christ cannot help us
:-/
But it seems to be the nature of scriptures to contradict themselves. The only way we'll know for sure if he survived and left his homeland is if someone finds his remains somewhere, someday.
Vincenzi, why would a supposed resurrection indicate that Jesus was a Buddha? Do you really believe in the resurrection of Jesus?
As I already point out, certain samadhi states stop the breathing in & out
His disciples would have not known, whether Jesus was dead or alive
As for Pilate, of course Jesus wished to be hung on the cross. This was his mission (but with a surprising & planned ending). Jesus was to be God's last sacrifice
You only have more questions because you do not understand Christianity & the Old Testament prophecies it was seeking to fulfil
Best to read the Bible rather than quoting this & that scholar
:coffee:
The next Buddha haven't come yet you guys.
arupa-jhana :: formless meditative absorption
do you believe the Buddha would have acted in the same way?
often when his own Sangha was misbehaving, the Buddha would leave them for extended retreat in the forest
:om:
but yes, he had christ-consciousness, and was able to teach... making Tathagata a Samyak Buddha.
the Buddha described many dhatu, such as eye-dhatu, ear-dhatu, sensual-dhatu, etc
dhatu = element
dhatu =/= realm
Buddha lived 500 years before Christ :wtf:
does not return to the world :facepalm:
"Vincenzi, why would a supposed resurrection indicate that Jesus was a Buddha? Do you really believe in the resurrection of Jesus?"
today, I got proof that (the resurrected) Jesus is in Tathagathagarba... "among" (anatta) Shakyamuni.
read the apocrypha, get your own conclusions.
there was just one Judas, Magdalene was an apostol, Mother Mary was young (NOT virgin).
the father of Jesus was either: Gabriel, Longinus (to use a recognizable name), or Joseph.
neutral:
broke the first five fetters AND had access to jhāna at will.
using my terms:
Jesus was a bodhigami ("Bodhi nature that returns"), because he returned at least once.
still, Shakyamuni was wiser and simply taught and taught in one long life (making he, still... the Buddha of Our Era).
Because a non-returner has ended the five lower fetters and has no sexual lust, a non-returner cannot have an erection :hair:
someone saying that will not be even a srotapanna because he didn't broke the "self identity view".
anatta, anicca, dukkha
anicca, shunyata
nirvāna
so... women are automatically non-returners since they can't get an erection?
however, I'm the anāgami and call the asexual=holy as dogma.
Once Returners are not necessarily celibate. Maybe you can go for that instead .
I wouldn't say that non-returners have aversion towards sex. It is just that lust have been uprooted in them. Again , the practice of celibacy and the like are more suitable for monastics than householders. (There are some exceptions , such as Citta and Hatthaka the householders, etc...)
She was born without original sin which is quite different.
The obvious dislike of and disrespect for Christian teaching demonstrated by some here (I did name at least one but redacted the names: no ad hominem; they know who they are) should not be taken as characteristic of genuine Buddhist commentary. I prefer the views of such respected and respectful writers as HHDL, TNH, Roshi Aitken or Masao Abe.
Do you see any relationship between the story of Christ and Buddha ?
"Tit for tat"