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Wot-not-Enlightened?

lobsterlobster Veteran
edited July 1 in Buddhism Basics

What to expect?

From another thread which I resurrected from the necro realms ... o:)

Enlightenment is not first of all a philosophical concept, nor a psychological insight, but a physical event, an energetic, transactional exchange between an individual and the Cosmos.

Enlightenment is for the bodhisattwa an empowerment.

To put it out there that you are enlightened may well be unexpedient and to no positive effect.

The sceptical and materialistic will only scoff; or if some do believe you, it may bring unwelcome adulation from the naive and interference from the powers-that-be.

Enlightenment bears its own seal of unquestionable authority for its recipient, is unshakeable in the face of doubters, and will receive its own evergrowing witness from out of all the ten thousand things.

Seems reasonable. Seems the point of Buddhism. Buddha means awake or enlightened. :) Any more Buddhists yet? 😌

What not to expect?

Comments

  • FoibleFullFoibleFull Canada Veteran

    Very nice quotes.
    I think the most important one is that enlightenment is not a concept. We in the West are so addicted to thinking, and waste a lot of time trying to "think" Buddhism, instead of trying to experience it.
    When I encounter something I don't understand in the dharmic teachings, I don't try to "think/figure" it out. Comprehension comes at its own time and readiness. It is our Practice and not our conceptual thinking that moves us along.

    As for myself, since most of my time is focused on the Eight Worldly Concerns and my attention continually reminds me of my ignorance, attachment, and aversion, I think it is safe to say that I am not enlightened.
    Yet.

    ShoshinkandoBunkselcra1go
  • lobsterlobster Veteran

    @FoibleFull said:
    Comprehension comes at its own time and readiness.

    It do.

    Everything is in the preparation:

    • calm mind, body and life (what did we think the Sangha are for?)
    • practice of integrity, non-hypocrisy, honesty, sila, virtue ... Who expected The Truth to be available to self liars, abusive people, unkind people? Tsk, tsk ...
    • right focus. Part time dharma ain't gonna cut it ... However beware fanatics and Buddha fan-boys ...
      http://newbuddhist.com/discussion/13680/fanatical-buddhism

    Don't say we have not been told. We have.

  • pegembarapegembara Veteran

    Stop wanting.
    Wake up and smell the coffee.

    When you're without any worldly
    or religious obligations,
    Don't keep on longing to acquire some!

    If you let go of everything —
    Everything, everything —
    That's the real point!

    http://keithdowman.net/guestpage/patrul-rinpoche-advice-from-me-to-myself.html

    lobster
  • personperson Don't believe everything you think 'Merica! Veteran

    Well, that was a blast from the past, It's a pretty good thread. +1

  • kandokando northern Ireland Veteran

    Wow, that is a good one. I've been down in the vaults a few times. As for enlightenment it seems to be a very different experience for different people, from lightning flash to crow squawk.

  • namarupanamarupa Veteran

    A truth junction for all beings and all planes of existence...my weak guess.

  • LionduckLionduck Veteran

    Enlightenment is a process, an awakening, an emerging from a fog
    it is a remarkable phenomenon and as mundane as the sunrise.

    lobster
  • lobsterlobster Veteran

    Indeed @Lionduck

    Exactly so.
    It is no myth. No hypothetical salvation/revelation/darshan. No empty bliss out of the spiritual luvvies.

    Enlightenment is a gift. Like the Buddha Sun Lotus ...

    ... are you ready yet?

  • kandokando northern Ireland Veteran

    Came across this today and like it 'if you get obsessed with Buddhism then Buddhism is a worldly thing. If you are not obsessed with worldly things then worldly things are Buddhist teachings' - an old saying quoted by Zen Master Muso. Rather like playing twister with an eel is Zen! :)

    ShoshinKeromelobster
  • KeromeKerome Love, love is mystery The Continent Veteran

    @kando said:
    Came across this today and like it 'if you get obsessed with Buddhism then Buddhism is a worldly thing. If you are not obsessed with worldly things then worldly things are Buddhist teachings' - an old saying quoted by Zen Master Muso.

    I think this is very true... a large part of my personal Buddhist path has been about rooting out obsessions with worldly things and learning not to cling. A nice find!

  • lobsterlobster Veteran

    @pegembara said:
    Stop wanting.
    Wake up and smell the coffee.

    Sounds like a plan ... B)
    http://newbuddhist.com/discussion/19410/why-arent-you-enlightened

  • lobsterlobster Veteran

    Opened my hand. Turned it over
    right there, the back of a hand
    'n ever knew, the dropped dharma
    turned over
    carried Nothing

    @kando said:
    Came across this today and like it 'if you get obsessed with Buddhism then Buddhism is a worldly thing. If you are not obsessed with worldly things then worldly things are Buddhist teachings' - an old saying quoted by Zen Master Muso. Rather like playing twister with an eel is Zen! :)

  • ShoshinShoshin No one in particular Nowhere Special Veteran

    "Enlightenment is Absolute Cooperation With The Inevitable"

    Or one could say the ability to expect the unexpected
    ( when the unexpected is least expecting it...something like that... ) :)

    kandolobster
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