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Does Anybody Here Consider Themselves An Arya?
ThailandTom
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Does anybody here in this board consider themselves to have had a complete realisation of emptiness, and now an Ayra?
Is it true once gaining brief insights into emptniness and you maintain effort, you will be able to remain in the subtle consciousness for longer and longer periods of time.
Is it true once gaining brief insights into emptniness and you maintain effort, you will be able to remain in the subtle consciousness for longer and longer periods of time.
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(Ajaan Fuang)
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/thai/fuang/itself.html#vision
One thing he pointed out was that once one has found refuge in the triple gem, then they are considered a practicing buddhist. If one has any doubt about the dhrma, the buddha or the sangha, then one should reconsider it as their religion.
He also pointed out that once you reach ayra, you have clear and perfect understanding on emptiness
Don't be an Arhat - Luang Por Chah (extended quote can be Googled)
it simply means noble in pali/sanskrit, the exact meaning depends on the context.
:rolleyes:
/kidding/
Best wishes,
Abu
that's the only context I have read Arya in Buddhism.
you can read it in wiki
"So experience of inner and outer, mind and its field, nirvana and samsara,
Free of constructs differentiating the gross and the subtle,
Is resolved in the sky-like utterly empty field of reality." - Longchenpa
"Both inner and outer are the outer itself -
There are no conceivable hidden depths
And "subtle existence" is a false concept." - Vairotsana
"Everything is up-front and in our faces and there are no complex subtle hidden structures of mind except those of delusive concoction. By elevating the subtle and demeaning the gross, creating comparative constructs, structures of varying subtlety, reality is still zero-dimensional, incapable of fragmentation. All experience is resolved in ineffability." - Keith Dowman
there they become buddhas.
I don't understand what aryas meant in your OP.
As in, being the promotor of fundamental change or something?
(1) sati: mindfulness
(2) sampajanna: clear comprehension; applied or ready wisdom
(3) samadhi: concentration
(4) hiri: sense of shame or conscience
(5) ottappa: fear of [the results of our own] evil [actions]
The mind of Epicurus is suffering from mental affliction
Where as the experience of the Three Doors is insight knowledge & liberation
If suffering, then the mind of Epicurus is affected by ignorance, craving & attachment that arises via Dependent Origination
To end such afflicton, one method, if suitable, is for Epicurus to apply wisdom that leads to acceptance & letting go
For example, the 2nd door means the wisdom of unsatisfactoriness or imperfection of impermanent things
So if, for example, we have a physical illness or disfunction, the mind applies the wisdom of the 2nd door, namely, "the body like all impermanent things is subject to unsatisfactoriness and imperfection"
the 2nd door is an insight knowledge or vipassana nana. it is not mental affliction
best wishes
"Thus, monks, ignorance is the supporting condition for kamma formations, kamma formations are the supporting condition for consciousness, consciousness is the supporting condition for mentality-materiality, mentality-materiality is the supporting condition for the sixfold sense base, the sixfold sense base is the supporting condition for contact, contact is the supporting condition for feeling, feeling is the supporting condition for craving, craving is the supporting condition for clinging, clinging is the supporting condition for existence, existence is the supporting condition for birth, birth is the supporting condition for suffering,
Begin part 2:
suffering is the supporting condition for faith, faith is the supporting condition for joy, joy is the supporting condition for rapture, rapture is the supporting condition for tranquillity, tranquillity is the supporting condition for happiness, happiness is the supporting condition for concentration, concentration is the supporting condition for the knowledge and vision of things as they really are, the knowledge and vision of things as they really are is the supporting condition for disenchantment, disenchantment is the supporting condition for dispassion, dispassion is the supporting condition for emancipation, and emancipation is the supporting condition for the knowledge of the destruction (of the cankers).
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/lib/authors/bodhi/wheel277.html
Which makes sense because if there is no suffering that is being recognized, then there would be no need to go and seek relief from it.
I did not say constant suffering is the door to enlightenment per se - but it is said in some traditions that the teachings point to dukkha, and what is called the cessation of dukkha.
Dukkha refers to an axel out of keel - like a wheel out of balance. In this way it is unsatisfactory, wobbly and can generally be called "suffering" but maybe it is just that sense of unease and dissatisfaction also that people can have even when not overtly suffering.
It is Lord Buddha's teaching called the Four Noble Truths (also called the Four Aryan Truths) where he expounded amongst other things that there is dukkha, and that there is a way to the cessation of dukkha. So there is some focus there in these teachings.
The Way he taught towards the so called cessation of dukkha is called the Eightfold Path, which is a Path generally supported by all genuined Buddhist teachers and teachings.
Suffering, when it happens, and with proper instruction and guidance, is a road to enlightenment because it is through, and with the experiences/insights from suffering that one is able to see some of the Buddha's Truths. I am not saying this is the case for everyone but what I am saying is there is an opportunity there. For example, when one sits down in meditation one is faced immediately with what could be called dukkha. But with some training and with some perseverence one is able to gradually learn to continue to sit still, and perhaps even garner what can be called insights from that meditation practice.
Therefore, it is possible that dukkha is also the path or lighting on the path of Enlightenment.
Hope that helps.
Best wishes,
Abu
"Now the teachings of the Lord Buddha are teachings pointing to this. They're to awaken you rather than to condition you. We're not trying to grasp them as doctrinal positions to take, but expedient means to use to develop awakened awareness, mindfulness and intuition, to not fear sensitivity, to really open to it. Be fully sensitive rather than trying to protect yourself endlessly from possible pain or misfortune.
Knowing the world as the world is not a resignation in a negative way - 'Oh, you know how the world is!' - as if it were bad, that there's something wrong with it. That's not knowing the world as the world. Rather it's studying and taking an interest, examining experience, and being willing to look at and feel the negative side. It's not just seeking pleasurable experiences, but seeing even your most disappointing ones, your worst failures as opportunities to learn, as a chance to awaken; as devadutas or 'messengers' that tap us on the shoulder and say, 'Wake up!'"
Full teaching: http://www.what-buddha-taught.net/Books9/Ajahn_Sumedho_Suffering_Should_be_Welcomed.htm
Audio file: http://www.dhammatalks.org.uk/index.php?id=40&file_id=851