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The connections made in the "present" life, do they continue or end after death?
Hawkins
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The love between others on their journey's, does it simply-end?
It's very hard for me to believe that it disappears all together.
It's very hard for me to believe that it disappears all together.
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The love you have for your significant other (or whomever it may be) is not completely independent and separate from the rest of the world, we are all interconnected in very deep ways and are affected by the relationships of those around us. When you fell in love, part of that love came from the influence of those around you and who came before you, and them from those who came before them.
So, yes, love definitely lives on. Even in a completely practical sense. Maybe it's a little different and not as obvious as before, but it's there and you can feel it.
with peace,
In general my view is that people can love others and then remember them fondly after they die. Children can be the results of love, there can be the remaining positive results of people's actions in life and so on. However with regard to other lives after death, we simply don't know for certain what happens. Sometimes I've heard people say to each other "Oh we must have known each other in a past life" - but to me that's just speculation.
I am sure you are not talking here about love to all beings? If you do, sorry for my Q.
Love as what? Attachment?
It really doesn't matter.
it's what you do now, that counts.
Whatever happens after your journey's end, is of no consequence, because you will find that no matter how much you'd like to control it or have a say in it - it's not possible.
therefore, do what you know you must do now, for the benefit of others.
That counts for so much - now...
Please don’t take it as aggressiveness on my part.
However, your statement sounds like propaganda during communist times.
TRUST, BELIEVE , CARRY ON and hope for a best.
TRUST YOUR LEADERS.
we can only affect the present while we live.
Communist propaganda indeed....
''Please don’t take it as aggressiveness on my part.''
Being :
What I wanted to say:
Don’t take MY post as an attack, rudeness or challenging.
MY comment.
It may come today
Parting me from all that is familiar
And all those who I love
Now is the time to think of the meaning of heart connections
Now is the time to think of what goes beyond birth and death
The clarity openness and sensitivity of our true nature...
The indestructible heart essence beyond birth and death.
And thus may we abide in great equanimity
unruffled by by attachment and aversion
This is basicly a question on the third noble truth.
it is either two beings chosing their next rebirth, or communicating somehow after one or both are dead.
In this life over the years I have met several people I knew and loved in that former life. Thanks to the internet, I have finally once again seen the city where I once lived, and died... rebuilt since the war! It is halfway across the world in a language I don't know, but most of the buildings that were still standing at the time of my death are still standing today. Most of the streets remain the same, and my train station is still there, rebuilt, but the mountains of broken brick rubble that was once my neighborhood is all tall buildings and the city is much bigger now than it was then. Life goes on.
Unfortunately, my parents died before the internet made it possible to see what it looks like on that other side of the world. They never saw that I had told them the truth as a child after all, that it was all there as I had remembered it.... in a foreign country half a world away and a language none of us ever knew.
From my own experience I can tell you that the connection of hearts that is beyond attachment, beyond desire, beyond ego...
the connection of hearts that is pure transcendent love between souls remains... irregardless of everything else changing from one life to the next.
Everything else fades away, and the love remains.
It is the most beautiful thing. It is helping one another along the journey.
We are all still working on our issues, and seeing the other side of them!
It is also the great love, the great vow of the Bodhisattva, the love that remains...
that all would see the light.
Why is it hard for you to believe that it all disappears? Because it's hard to let go of this life. We all fear extinction, the loss of who we are. But you can't be reborn until you let go of your old self.
In the end, like other posters have said, it doesn't make a bit of difference what you believe. Reality is what it is.
"This is the greater: the tears you have shed while transmigrating & wandering this long, long time — crying & weeping from being joined with what is displeasing, being separated from what is pleasing — not the water in the four great oceans.
"Long have you (repeatedly) experienced the death of a mother. The tears you have shed over the death of a mother while transmigrating & wandering this long, long time — crying & weeping from being joined with what is displeasing, being separated from what is pleasing — are greater than the water in the four great oceans.
"Long have you (repeatedly) experienced the death of a father... the death of a brother... the death of a sister... the death of a son... the death of a daughter... loss with regard to relatives... loss with regard to wealth... loss with regard to disease. The tears you have shed over loss with regard to disease while transmigrating & wandering this long, long time — crying & weeping from being joined with what is displeasing, being separated from what is pleasing — are greater than the water in the four great oceans.
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/sn/sn15/sn15.003.than.html
"Ananda, if I — being asked by Vacchagotta the wanderer if there is a self — were to answer that there is a self, that would be conforming with those priests & contemplatives who are exponents of eternalism [the view that there is an eternal, unchanging soul]. If I — being asked by Vacchagotta the wanderer if there is no self — were to answer that there is no self, that would be conforming with those priests & contemplatives who are exponents of annihilationism [the view that death is the annihilation of consciousness]. If I — being asked by Vacchagotta the wanderer if there is a self — were to answer that there is a self, would that be in keeping with the arising of knowledge that all phenomena are not-self?"
"No, lord."
"And if I — being asked by Vacchagotta the wanderer if there is no self — were to answer that there is no self, the bewildered Vacchagotta would become even more bewildered: 'Does the self I used to have now not exist?'"
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/sn/sn44/sn44.010.than.html
Sounds like the Buddha is equating "self" with consciousness, while some schools consider those to be 2 different things.
But I'm getting mixed messages here. Was the Buddha for "annihilationism" or not? :wtf: This is a little confusing.
Since there was never a self nothing gets annihilated. This self is dependent on memories, thoughts and feeling, just thought projections.
the Buddha did not actually "teach" Vacchagotta
the Buddha actually avoided or declined to "teach" Vacchagotta because trying to "teach" Vacchagotta would provide no benefit to Vacchagotta
i suggest re-reading the text
The essense of Buddha-Dhamma is not found in obscure suttas that the Buddha taught to wandering hippies...
This is why the Buddha taught two levels of Dhamma, for those who have no interest or perceptible need in ending dukkha
As for the sutta, it is misunderstood.
The sutta is not about rebirth. It is about suffering. It states: The sutta is an exhortation of "enough" of the spinning around in dukkha.
As for those monks the Buddha taught, obviously they were no enlightened to any degree if he had to talk to them like children
Regards
Further conversations with Vacchagotta, the Wanderer
"A 'position,' Vaccha, is something that a Tathagata has done away with. What a Tathagata sees is this: 'Such is form, such its origin, such its disappearance; such is feeling, such its origin, such its disappearance; such is perception... such are mental fabrications... such is consciousness, such its origin, such its disappearance.' Because of this, I say, a Tathagata — with the ending, fading out, cessation, renunciation, & relinquishment of all construings, all excogitations, all I-making & mine-making & obsession with conceit — is, through lack of clinging/sustenance, released."
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/mn/mn.072.than.html
Vacchagotta was obsessed & infatuated with the Buddha in a worldly way, like a worldly man is infatuated with the outer features of a beautiful woman
so the Buddha here gave a teaching to eradicate Vacchagotta's infatuation
the Buddha-Dhamma is found in suttas such as the 1st three sermons
the suttas to Vacchagotta are teachings specifically given for the disposition of Vacchagotta
they are not the essence of Buddha-Dhamma & do not represent Buddha-Dhamma
regards
the text is a translation or "transmigration" from Pali to English
SN 15.3 Pubbā koṭi na paññāyati avijjānīvaraṇānaṃ sattānaṃ taṇhāsaṃyojanānaṃ sandhāvataṃ saṃsarataṃ.
MN 38 “As I understand the dhamma taught by the Blessed One, it is this same consciousness (vinnàna) that runs (sandhàvati) and wanders (samsarati), not another.”
http://www.buddhistelibrary.org/en/albums/asst/ebook/03_mahatanhasankhaya.pdf
MN 38 “As I understand the dhamma taught by the Blessed One, it is this same consciousness (vinnàna) that runs (sandhàvati) and wanders (samsarati), not another.”
http://www.buddhistelibrary.org/en/albums/asst/ebook/03_mahatanhasankhaya.pdf
SN 15.3 alternate translation from Bhikkhu Bodhi states "roamed & wandered" (rather than "transmigrating & wandering")
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Sandhāvati [saŋ+dhāvati] to run through
Dhāvati [Sk. dhāvati & dhāvate: 1. to flow, run etc.; cp. Gr. qe/w (both meanings); Ags. déaw=E. dew; Ohg. tou=Ger. tau; cp. also dhārā & dhunāti. -- 2. to clean (by running water) etc.=P. dhovati, q. v.] 1. to run, run away, run quickly Sn 939 (cp. Nd1 419); Dh 344; J i.308; vi.332; Nd1 405=Nd2 304iii.; Pv iv.161 =palāyati PvA 2841; DhA i.389 (opp. gacchati); PvA 4; Sdhp 378. -- 2. to clean etc.: see dhovati; cp. dhavala & dhārā2.
Dhāva [Sk. dhāva] running, racing M i.446.