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Buddha said anatta, non-self.

jlljll Veteran
edited July 2011 in Buddhism Basics
Buddha said anatta, non-self. Shakespeare said the world is a stage, everyone an actor. My teacher says we are all pretending to be something. Do you agree? What are you pretending to be?

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  • The average man's life consists of:
    Twenty years of having his mother ask him where he is going,
    Forty years of having his wife ask the same question;
    and at the end, the mourners wondering too.


    All the world's a stage (from As You Like It )

    And all the men and women merely players:
    They have their exits and their entrances;
    And one man in his time plays many parts,
    His acts being seven ages. At first the infant,
    Mewling and puking in the nurse's arms.
    And then the whining school-boy, with his satchel
    And shining morning face, creeping like snail
    Unwillingly to school. And then the lover,
    Sighing like furnace, with a woeful ballad
    Made to his mistress' eyebrow. Then a soldier,
    Full of strange oaths and bearded like the pard,
    Jealous in honour, sudden and quick in quarrel,
    Seeking the bubble reputation
    Even in the cannon's mouth. And then the justice,
    In fair round belly with good capon lined,
    With eyes severe and beard of formal cut,
    Full of wise saws and modern instances;
    And so he plays his part. The sixth age shifts
    Into the lean and slipper'd pantaloon,
    With spectacles on nose and pouch on side,
    His youthful hose, well saved, a world too wide
    For his shrunk shank; and his big manly voice,
    Turning again toward childish treble, pipes
    And whistles in his sound. Last scene of all,
    That ends this strange eventful history,
    Is second childishness and mere oblivion,
    Sans teeth, sans eyes, sans taste, sans everything


  • The Magic Show by Bhikkhu Nyanananda

    The famous magician whose miraculous performances you have
    thoroughly enjoyed on many an occasion, is back again in your
    town. The news of his arrival has spread far and wide, and eager
    crowds are now making for the large hall where he is due to perform
    today. You too buy a ticket and manage to enter the hall. There is
    already a scramble for seats, but you are not keen on securing one,
    for you have entered with a different purpose in mind. You have had
    a bright idea to outwit the magician -- to play a trick on him
    yourself. So you cut your way through the thronging crowds and
    stealthily creep into some concealed corner of the stage.

    The magician enters the stage through the dark curtains, clad in
    his pitchy black suit. Black boxes containing his secret stock-in-
    trade are also now on the stage. The performance starts and from
    your point of vantage you watch. And as you watch with sharp eyes
    every movement of the magician, you now begin to discover, one
    after the other, the secrets behind those 'breath taking' miracles of
    your favourite magician. The hidden holes and false bottoms in his
    magic boxes, the counterfeits and secret pockets, the hidden strings
    and buttons that are pulled and pressed under the cover of the frantic
    waving of his magic-wand. Very soon you see through his bag of
    wily tricks so well, that you are able to discover his next 'surprise'
    well in advance. Since you can now anticipate his 'surprises' they no
    longer surprise you. His 'tricks' no longer deceive you. His 'magic'
    has lost its magic for you. It no longer kindles your imagination as it
    used to do in the past. The magician's 'hocus-pocus' and
    'abracadabra' and his magic-wand now suggest nothing to you -- for
    you know them now for what they are, that is : 'meaningless'. The
    whole affair has now turned out to be an empty-show, one vast hoax
    ---- a treachery.

    In utter disgust, you turn away from it to take a peep at the
    audience below. And what a sight ! A sea of craned necks - eyes
    that gaze in blind admiration; mouths that gape in dumb
    appreciation; the 'Ah!'s and 'Oh!'s and whistles of speechless
    amazement.

    Truly, a strange admixture of tragedy and comedy which you
    could have enjoyed instead of the magic-show, if not for the fact that
    you yourself were in that same sorry plight on many a previous
    occasion. Moved by compassion for this frenzied crowd, you almost
    frown on the magician as he chuckles with a sinister grin at every
    applause from his admirers. "How is it," you wonder, "that I have
    been deceived so long by this crook of a magician ?" You are fed up
    with all this and swear to yourself - "Never will I waste my time and
    money on such empty shows, Nev-ver."

    The show ends. Crowds are now making for the exit. You too slip
    out of your hiding place unseen, and mingle with them. Once
    outside, you spot a friend of yours whom you know as a keen admirer
    of this magician. Not wishing to embarrass him with news of your
    unusual experience, you try to avoid him, but you are too late. Soon
    you find yourself listening to a vivid commentary on the magic
    performance. Your friend is now reliving those moments of the
    'bliss-of-ignorance' which he had just been enjoying. But before
    long he discovers that you are mild and reserved today, and wonders
    how you could be so, after such a marvellous show.

    "Why? You were in the same hall all this time, weren't you?”
    "Yes, I was."
    "Then, were you sleeping?"
    "Oh! No."
    "You weren't watching closely, I suppose."
    "No, no, I was watching it alright, may be I was watching
    too closely."
    "You say you were watching, but you don't seem to have seen
    the show."
    "No, I saw it. In fact I saw it so well that I missed the show!”
  • JeffreyJeffrey Veteran
    Its kind of related. We have conditioning in the form of tendancies and attractions and concepts. For example we think "I am smart" or "I am dumb"..

    And then we act that out..


    Which isn't to say that there aren't some brains that have different abilities, but I am saying to a certain extent we are acting out schemas that we have learned. Realization helps to free you from set limits so you can act fresh. Its not so much that you see doing or being, but just that is not your TRUE NATURE.

    What do you think about what I wrote in reference to Shakespeare etc
  • aMattaMatt Veteran
    edited July 2011
    Even when self is dropped, we have roles to perform. This isn't pretending, such as me being a father to my children, being helpful to others, being human and so forth. We can let them stay simply as roles we do, not roles we become.
  • JeffreyJeffrey Veteran
    edited July 2011
    aMatt, thats kinda what I was saying. When we are a buddha we use our illusion, like guns and roses. Before enlightenment we believe the illusion.

    First we have to break the spell.


    Then we become a magician.


    My teacher said the latter two in a dharma talk but don't think too much because I can't give the whole context.
  • AmeliaAmelia Veteran
    Buddha said anatta, non-self. Shakespeare said the world is a stage, everyone an actor. My teacher says we are all pretending to be something... What are you pretending to be?
    A lot of things. I've made it a game. Now I am getting sick of playing it and am starting to try to just pay attention to everything I am doing or thinking, just to see how I really am.

    pegembara, thanks for posting that story. It reminds me of that that feeling I get when I watch movies that are badly written, and yet loved by so many people...
  • JeffreyJeffrey Veteran
    You are breaking the spell
  • Buddha said anatta, non-self. Shakespeare said the world is a stage, everyone an actor. My teacher says we are all pretending to be something. Do you agree? What are you pretending to be?
    I often find myself pretending to have an ego, or rather my ego pretends I have an ego which is pretending to have an ego.

  • The Buddha said "not"-self not non-self.

    http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/sn/sn22/sn22.059.nymo.html
    "Bhikkhus, form is not-self. Were form self, then this form would not lead to affliction, and one could have it of form: 'Let my form be thus, let my form be not thus.' And since form is not-self, so it leads to affliction, and none can have it of form: 'Let my form be thus, let my form be not thus.'

    "Bhikkhus, feeling is not-self...

    "Bhikkhus, perception is not-self...

    "Bhikkhus, determinations are not-self...

    "Bhikkhus, consciousness is not self. Were consciousness self, then this consciousness would not lead to affliction, and one could have it of consciousness: 'Let my consciousness be thus, let my consciousness be not thus.' And since consciousness is not-self, so it leads to affliction, and none can have it of consciousness: 'Let my consciousness be thus, let my consciousness be not thus.'

    -SN 22.59
  • jlljll Veteran
    Very often, I am pretending to be clever.
  • not empty
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