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Dukkha does not mean Suffering. Dukkha means Dissatisfying. The all, as defined by the Buddha, consists entirely of the sense faculties, their corresponding contact phenomena, and their related form of consciusness. Specifically, the ALL, the ENTIRETY, the UNIVERSE, the WORLD, consists of: - the eye, forms, and eye-consciousness - the ear, sounds, and ear-consciusness - the tongue, tastes, and tongue-consciousness - the nose, smells, and nose-consciusness - the touch, tatile contact, and touch-consciousness - the intellect, ideas, and intellect-consciousness
The world, as defined by these parameters, is Impermanent, Not-self, and DISSATISFYING. A rock is DISSATISFYING because it does not lead to the unconditioned, to the deathless, to lasting happiness, peace, and wellbeing because it is part of the WORLD, the ALL, a product of one's consciousness.
@thickpaper I think I agree with you. It does seem 'neater'. But besides that, as this debate seems to be just about how to organize or group the teachings in the manner most useful to practice, I'd say go with what is most useful to you.
Absolutely, none of the philosophy of Dharma is that essential to the practice of Dharma:)
"I think that the idea that Dukka is the third Mark doesn't make sense, Dukka is a truth of experience, not all things that exist."
Fundamentally buddha's teachings are about relief from the experience of dukkha. Buddha stated in the Pali Canon at the time of his death "monks study hard for all composite things decay."
So there is the scriptural reason. The rational reason is that we cannot overcome attachment to sense desires unless we are aware they bring suffering. If we are not aware that a sense pleasure brings suffering then we are entrapped into craving that sense pleasure and because we see no disadvantage. The moment we see that a sense pleasure is causing suffering immediately due to that insight our attachment is weakened.
Therefore unless we contemplate dukkha we will not be free from attachment from sense desires.
The buddha did not say to go on scripture alone. Test for yourself if attachment is causing suffering. Test for yourself if theories about the inherently existing properties of innanimate phenomena satisfy you.
If they satisfy you then may it be so! But don't expect ME to be satisfied.
"And what is the drawback of feelings? The fact that feeling is inconstant, stressful, subject to change: This is the drawback of feelings.
"And what is the escape from feelings? The subduing of desire-passion for feelings, the abandoning of desire-passion for feelings: That is the escape from feelings.
"That any priests or contemplatives who do not discern, as it actually is, the allure of feelings as allure, the drawback of feelings as drawback, the escape from feelings as escape, would themselves comprehend feeling or would rouse another with the truth so that, in line with what he has practiced, he would comprehend feeling: That is impossible. But that any priests or contemplatives who discern, as it actually is, the allure of feelings as allure, the drawback of feelings as drawback, the escape from feelings as escape, would themselves comprehend feeling or would rouse another with the truth so that, in line with what he has practiced, he would comprehend feeling: That is possible."
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Dukkha means Dissatisfying.
The all, as defined by the Buddha, consists entirely of the sense faculties, their corresponding contact phenomena, and their related form of consciusness.
Specifically, the ALL, the ENTIRETY, the UNIVERSE, the WORLD, consists of:
- the eye, forms, and eye-consciousness
- the ear, sounds, and ear-consciusness
- the tongue, tastes, and tongue-consciousness
- the nose, smells, and nose-consciusness
- the touch, tatile contact, and touch-consciousness
- the intellect, ideas, and intellect-consciousness
The world, as defined by these parameters, is Impermanent, Not-self, and DISSATISFYING. A rock is DISSATISFYING because it does not lead to the unconditioned, to the deathless, to lasting happiness, peace, and wellbeing because it is part of the WORLD, the ALL, a product of one's consciousness.
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Fundamentally buddha's teachings are about relief from the experience of dukkha. Buddha stated in the Pali Canon at the time of his death "monks study hard for all composite things decay."
So there is the scriptural reason. The rational reason is that we cannot overcome attachment to sense desires unless we are aware they bring suffering. If we are not aware that a sense pleasure brings suffering then we are entrapped into craving that sense pleasure and because we see no disadvantage. The moment we see that a sense pleasure is causing suffering immediately due to that insight our attachment is weakened.
Therefore unless we contemplate dukkha we will not be free from attachment from sense desires.
The buddha did not say to go on scripture alone. Test for yourself if attachment is causing suffering. Test for yourself if theories about the inherently existing properties of innanimate phenomena satisfy you.
If they satisfy you then may it be so! But don't expect ME to be satisfied.
"And what is the drawback of feelings? The fact that feeling is inconstant, stressful, subject to change: This is the drawback of feelings.
"And what is the escape from feelings? The subduing of desire-passion for feelings, the abandoning of desire-passion for feelings: That is the escape from feelings.
"That any priests or contemplatives who do not discern, as it actually is, the allure of feelings as allure, the drawback of feelings as drawback, the escape from feelings as escape, would themselves comprehend feeling or would rouse another with the truth so that, in line with what he has practiced, he would comprehend feeling: That is impossible. But that any priests or contemplatives who discern, as it actually is, the allure of feelings as allure, the drawback of feelings as drawback, the escape from feelings as escape, would themselves comprehend feeling or would rouse another with the truth so that, in line with what he has practiced, he would comprehend feeling: That is possible."