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Does the sex you have in any way resemble pornography??
Why is 99% of porn shown so raunchy, is that what people want to see..?
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but no, i don't think that most people's sex is accurately portrayed by pornos. pornography is a visual medium, so there is of course a certain amount of acting and stage blocking and what have you that goes into its production, just like any movie. simply put, what looks good doesn't always feel good.
What do you all think about the issue of porn vs. the 1st amendment? Do films portraying women being slapped around and degraded violate laws against material that incites violence? Is porn "hate speech"? Hate speech and hate crimes are illegal in the US. Why isn't porn, which singles out a class of people for violent and degrading acts, a form of "hate speech"? What if instead of women, they had White guys tying up and beating up helpless Black guys? Would it be legal then?
I think violent porn would be a kinky subset of porn.
I don't think all porn is raunchy. I think it's changed since the old days, but I haven't checked. Try looking for some "erotica", sam. It's supposed to be from a woman's perspective.
adj. raun·chi·er, raun·chi·est Slang
1.
a. Obscene, lewd, or vulgar: "[He] uses language so aggressively raunchy that he seems to be insisting his choice of vocabulary, at least, is no sin" (Wall Street Journal).
b. Sexually explicit.
c. Exhibiting lust.
2. Grimy; unkempt: a raunchy closet full of dirty socks.
Great thread!!
It turns out on what I have seen there are way more depictions of the man getting oral than the woman getting oral. I don't personally understand this because I don't pretend that I am getting what the man is getting rather I am visually excited by the bodies at the least if not some kind of creativity, creativity being rather rare. I would rather see the woman's body than the mans so I don't understand this fully.
An example of creativity, ok thats just a word its not mozart but something more to it than taking clothes off oral sex then penetration. Ok maybe it is more creative a scene of a physical therapist coming over and pretending to give stretching demonstrations, so shameful, but that is more interesting because theres the tension of 'whats going to happen' and the enactment of wanting but not knowing when its going to happen.
I have never seen violence in visual porn. Plenty of extremely disturbing written porn. Which is different because there are no actors coerced to the writers vision. It is just a disturbed writer posting on a website without any censure of the stories.
So the question is whether the porn is raunchy? Is the woman in a mask giving a show and oral sex?? Is that raunchy? Why the bath and mask? Ok that never happened to me, but is it raunchy? Is that what is meant by raunchy?
does beautiful agony counts as erotica or porn?
should this be on member's only?
celibacy is a dead end dogma...
There you go with the Dalai Lama again! I think he deserves some privacy, don't you? :rolleyes:
Thanks for the definition of "raunchy". If all raunchy is, is sexually explicit, then... :-/ ...what does the OP question mean? Is there porn or erotica that isn't explicit? If it's not explicit, is it erotica/porn? Or is it just an arty film? Hello? OP? Can you tell us what you mean by "raunchy"?
Yogi: if the Vinaya can serve as a guide, the Buddha apparently felt that celibacy included no masturbation. Sex dreams were ok, considered involuntary. Indulging in fanatasies? Probably a no-no. There's the thing about right speech, right thought, and all that. But I'm no expert. But I'd say fantasies can lead to a physiological effect, so if you're celibate, why set yourself up for misery? It's counterproductive. So probably not allowed.
I think it's what the porn industry thinks people want to see. You sure can come up with some ... non-buddhistic questions... :eek2:
The resemblance between the porn and sex happens on a superficial level. Irrespective of whether or not a power dynamic and/or an element of edgyness is present, the important consideration is why a person is in xxx situation and whether they're into it or not. In other words the presence of the person is an important element. What we're given in porn are a series of stereotypes in terms of sex, age, race, penis and breast size, occupation, marital status etc
Its true there is cherry picking, but that isn't inherently bad. Wouldn't it be nice if we were all in our 20s? Its arbitrary to say that the experience of sagging aging bodies 'puts hair on your chest' and makes you able to shit large bricks of decency.
As far as the ladies in the business its a more kind meat market than the butcher's. Most of the harm is inflicted by the stigma in society and not inherently. Imagine a proud father... gee I am happy for you son, you really made a great living showing your body, keeping in shape and performing.
Sexual shame does not validate judgementalism of sex actors or sex viewers. In fact since you mention stereotypes I think the stereotype of a sex actor itself is quite prominent.
I remember staying up all night. Round after round. Nowadays it's completely different. Kinda like: don't spend too long, be more intimate. Almost like mindful sex
one picks partners too...
Edit: wasn't sure of what cherry picking meant exactly.
In american football youths the quarterback would get the ball (no linemen its just kids) and then the guys go out for a pass. A cherry picker doesn't run hard back and forth they just run out not deep but far enough and then wait. If someone gets bored and creeps foreward then they get open and get a pass. "cherry picker" Maybe its basketball it happens I forget??
(Just an example, people, I'm not passing judgment on anyone, just trying to explain an expression to Vincenzi.
*whew* :hiding: )
samsaraputram (children of suffering) cherry pick partners too... by ignoring the defects.
Even if we look at the odd nude pic it can still be hurtful to a partner. A lot of the testimonials I've read usually involve a sensitive girl being shocked and upset by their mans porn use. He doesn't want to give it up, sometimes tries 'acting out' or refusing sex, and the intimacy wanes. For a conscientious individual the feelings of guilt and remorse are important to recognize the hurt caused to a significant other. I feel bad because they do.
If a person has no conscience, or chooses to switch off emotion in favour of an uncomplicated sensation, it may become more difficult to assess, second or first hand another persons state of mind, and impossible (second hand) to know anything beyond the medium of computer screen relating to a persons life (such as favourite colour, for example).
But anyway, I feel that empathy is an important step towards the reduction of sexual shame.
Personally, I question how common this complex of attitudes towards women is (including violence or other abuse).
Making love, having sex, and f*cking. One can imagine those in their heads and they probably look a lot different. With this woman I could tell she wanted to be f*cked, so that was the style I used on her. But with my current girl I have sex and make love with her. So in my opinion that's the difference right there between the styles of sex.
I'm sure they can all be good depending on the mood. Different strokes for different folks.
That's Mr. Serenity: always pithy, always honest. In a good way! In a good way. ; )