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@zenmyste That is now the second time I have seen you misquote what the Buddha said. The Buddha did not say that the only thing he taught was the 4 noble truths and the 8 fold path. He said that he taught suffering the end of suffering. These two things are encompassed by MANY other teachings.
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That is now probably the 100th time you have misquoted the Buddha.
The 4NTs is the same as suffering & the end of suffering.
Your cherished reincarnation theories do not end suffering according to the Buddha
The problem with the explanations in this thread is that people are now making every teaching and facet of buddhism too abstract. If there is no right and wrong in buddhism and "reincarnation" is now defined broadly as the passage of one moment into another, then you have essentially changed its meaning. Reincarnation has a specific meaning and it is not the same as rebirth and it is not simply the passage of time. How can you teach the truth when you give everyone free license to define their own "truth"? Are the four noble truths open to interpretation? or are they absolute?
There is one truth about reincarnation. Either you come back after death as a living being on the earth or you don't. Which is it? If i asked whether you are "reborn" after you die that would be a different question.
Perhaps instead if grilling everybody else as to why reincarnation is part of Buddhism, you should just reach into your own being to find the answer as to why. It will be to no avail in your seeking for reason unless this understanding is found by inner awareness. Otherwise, you should drop it and just be.
The problem with the explanations in this thread is that people are now making every teaching and facet of buddhism too abstract. If there is no right and wrong in buddhism and "reincarnation" is now defined broadly as the passage of one moment into another, then you have essentially changed its meaning. Reincarnation has a specific meaning and it is not the same as rebirth and it is not simply the passage of time. How can you teach the truth when you give everyone free license to define their own "truth"? Are the four noble truths open to interpretation? or are they absolute?
There is one truth about reincarnation. Either you come back after death as a living being on the earth or you don't. Which is it? If i asked whether you are "reborn" after you die that would be a different question.
No one is forcing ya to believe anything son! Why shouldn't I mug yo fo ya new kicks? After all, without karma, rebirth or life after death, what is there to worry about developing any morality at all? Life is so short in this fleshy body I might as well enjoy it! I will start by takin dat fancy stuff yo got wid ya ill gotten money! Why is it ill gotten? Cuz It's not mine! lol
@NOTaGangsta I didn't say anything about karma. Karma actually makes sense to me since it is a form of cosmic justice. I think karma appeals to everyone's sense of right and wrong. Reincarnation however makes no sense to me. It seems like a punishment which most of us are doomed to undergo since most of us will not reach enlightenment in our current live.
The fact that people can't agree whether the buddha taught reincarnation or not makes the whole concept even more convoluded.
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Reincarnation and rebirth are two different concepts, strictly speaking. Reincarnation is strongly adhered to in Tibetan Budddhism, but only for Realised masters, Gurus or Lamas, such as (to name the most obvious and well-known) the 14th Dalai Lama, and the preceding 12.
re-birth is for hoi Poloi and the disillusioned, like you and me. What kind of re-birth you conclude is possible - the one DD describes, or the one in any one of 6 realms - is up to you. You might discard and lay aside the question of re-birth all together. And that's ok too. The important is not what might be, the important is what is.
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There is one truth about reincarnation. Either you come back after death as a living being on the earth or you don't. Which is it? If i asked whether you are "reborn" after you die that would be a different question.
Perhaps instead if grilling everybody else as to why reincarnation is part of Buddhism, you should just reach into your own being to find the answer as to why. It will be to no avail in your seeking for reason unless this understanding is found by inner awareness. Otherwise, you should drop it and just be.
Have you found the reason it written, yet?
I didn't say anything about karma. Karma actually makes sense to me since it is a form of cosmic justice. I think karma appeals to everyone's sense of right and wrong. Reincarnation however makes no sense to me. It seems like a punishment which most of us are doomed to undergo since most of us will not reach enlightenment in our current live.
The fact that people can't agree whether the buddha taught reincarnation or not makes the whole concept even more convoluded.
Reincarnation is strongly adhered to in Tibetan Budddhism, but only for Realised masters, Gurus or Lamas, such as (to name the most obvious and well-known) the 14th Dalai Lama, and the preceding 12.
re-birth is for hoi Poloi and the disillusioned, like you and me.
What kind of re-birth you conclude is possible - the one DD describes, or the one in any one of 6 realms - is up to you. You might discard and lay aside the question of re-birth all together.
And that's ok too.
The important is not what might be, the important is what is.