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Polygamy versus homosexuality

JeffreyJeffrey Veteran
edited August 2011 in General Banter
discuss

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  • Discuss what exactly?
  • zombiegirlzombiegirl beating the drum of the lifeless in a dry wasteland Veteran
    ugh, no.
  • zombiegirlzombiegirl beating the drum of the lifeless in a dry wasteland Veteran
    too late to edit:

    sorry, didn't see why you made this topic before (since it was an offshoot from another post). i still really hate this argument though and i think i will try and stay out of it this time. i just don't see why people are always trying to throw apples and oranges together.
  • DakiniDakini Veteran
    edited August 2011
    wtf?!
    btw, Jeffrey, I saw that this is a spin-off from another thread, but the interesting thing about that thread is that commentors seem to take "polygamy" to mean "polygyny" (one guy having more than 1 wife) when in fact, the term "polygamy" is genderless. It means, "having many spouses". So it can refer to a woman having several husbands (polyandry).

    So now that we've cleared that up, could you tell us what you'd like us to discuss and why?
  • Door knobs vs. snake skins.

    Discuss...
  • Yes this is to prevent people from hijacking another thread. Apparently there is only interest in hijacking and no interest in the topic :zombie:
  • MountainsMountains Veteran
    edited August 2011
    Somebody's going to have to explain to me how that works then. I don't get the point of such a thread.\

    And no, at least from my perspective there is no interest in this "topic" because it's not a topic. It's to wholly unrelated subjects strung together with "vs."

  • JeffreyJeffrey Veteran
    edited August 2011
    people had a lot of interest in hijacking the thread about homosexuality in buddhism and instead talking about polygamy. I put a link to this thread. I guess they haven't wanted to talk about polygamy here. Maybe they will return?
  • Ah..
  • vinlynvinlyn Colorado...for now Veteran
    I think it's a matter of numbers. A significant number of people are gay, including on our forum. The number of people that are polygamous is miniscule, and as I recall there was really only one person who kept bringing in the topic of polygamy.
  • zidanguszidangus Veteran
    edited August 2011
    For a second there, I thought you wanted a discussion on lie detector tests and homosexuality, then I learnt a new word, so I guess I should say thanks for extending my already limited dictionary :dunce:


    p.s I know I should get out of my cave more :p
  • DakiniDakini Veteran
    edited August 2011
    Yes this is to prevent people from hijacking another thread. Apparently there is only interest in hijacking and no interest in the topic :zombie:
    I love this comment.

    What I've found, Jeffrey, is that sometimes, when there's a momentum going on one thread, it doesn't transfer over to another thread. It's hard to move people from one to another.

    Nice try, though. I appreciate what you were trying to do, even if the OP,when isolated from its original context, doesn't seem to make much sense.

  • zombiegirlzombiegirl beating the drum of the lifeless in a dry wasteland Veteran
    I think it's a matter of numbers. A significant number of people are gay, including on our forum. The number of people that are polygamous is miniscule, and as I recall there was really only one person who kept bringing in the topic of polygamy.
    yes, and i know that i have already discussed this matter in another thread with that person, thus the reason i said that i don't wish to contribute to this thread.
  • Why not just discuss polyamory, which in and of itself is "loving more" and not necessarily sexual or related to multiple marriage. Homosexuality may or may not play into polyamory, however they can be mutually exclusive also.
    There's nothing wrong with either loving more nor homosexuality, and frankly if we are loving,compassionate beings it should not matter at all.
    In the past I have been polyamorous, and one can love another without necessarily engaging in a sexual relationship...a meeting of souls so to speak, it's an emotional relationship.
    I am not saying it's easy because it's not easy to spread one's attention in between people without feeling sometimes coming up, however if there is a constant stream of communication it can work.
    Basically, my feeling that love, in any form, is good. I digress because I lost my train of thought, and likely this was all over the place anyway. I hope it makes sense.
  • Sorry I didn't immediately write back. I wasn't trying to upset anyone in the other thread or hijack it. :( I just responded to what the other person was saying. If you want to delete my previous comment then you can (on the other thread).
  • zidanguszidangus Veteran
    edited August 2011
    Why not just discuss polyamory, which in and of itself is "loving more" and not necessarily sexual or related to multiple marriage.
    Thats two new words I have learnt in one thread !!
    :rockon:
  • as a true biesexual I find the idea of a 3-wy relationship to be very good, more if everyone was happy :) I don't get the big deal, as long as there is no jealousy and trust is kept between the lovers, then it is no different to 2 people.
  • I think there would likely be jealousy, but all relationships have problems I guess.
  • people had a lot of interest in hijacking the thread about homosexuality in buddhism and instead talking about polygamy. I put a link to this thread. I guess they haven't wanted to talk about polygamy here. Maybe they will return?
    While it is good not to derail threads, there will be tangential points to any given topic. Those are not a bad thing, as they usually bring about a larger point within the OP. Also, keep in mind that if people want to continue exclusively discussing the OP topic, they will do so. I understood the point that sndymorn was trying to relate in regard to the OP of that thread, and perhaps the way to bring things off of a derail was simply to ask for a larger explanation of how it related or maybe you could have just ignored the post or related it back to topic. I would also like to point out that the topic sndymorn was discussing was NOT polygamy vs. homosexuality, but how alternative relationship structures relate to Buddhism. So this thread isn't even what she wanted to discuss.

    In regard to what she wanted to discuss, polyamory (polygamy being a subset) is a topic I have personal experience with and I feel there are a lot of misunderstandings of it. One, when people think of polygamy, they often think of strange religiously based misogynistic relationships like those of the Mormon faith or perhaps those of Muslim faith. In both of these, marriage is a form of ownership and the woman is basically property. These sorts of arrangements are inherently abusive and degrading and do not line up with the Dharma, imo. The other misunderstanding they have is that poly is a free pass to cheat and is swinging. This is also not in line with the Dharma as it is about passion-seeking and can also put one's physical health in danger.

    However, the less sexually based forms of polyamorous relationships are about not holding on to your partner with jealousy or ownership and also the recognition that it is possible to deeply love more than one partner in a romantic sense. Under those circumstances, I think it is possible to follow the Buddha's instructions/advice on a Dharmic relationship. However, I also feel it is truly difficult to follow the Buddhadharma to it's full realization while in a romantic relationship of any kind. Not impossible, but your partner has to be of the same understanding as you for it to work, imo. Otherwise, you will not be meeting their relationship expectations, and that will cause problems of its own. A conflict of choosing between your relationship and your path.

    Anyway, just thought I'd throw in my 3 cents on this one.

  • The point is that syndmorn wanted to share information about polyamory and she could have started his/her own thread. I merely did that for him/her and I do hope it gets a good discussion going. I guess I didn't get the point right in my thread title.

    On topic I feel that as long as people show eachother respect and love any relationship is a good thing.

  • agreed there :)
  • DakiniDakini Veteran
    edited August 2011

    However, the less sexually based forms of polyamorous relationships are about not holding on to your partner with jealousy or ownership and also the recognition that it is possible to deeply love more than one partner in a romantic sense. Under those circumstances, I think it is possible to follow the Buddha's instructions/advice on a Dharmic relationship. However, I also feel it is truly difficult to follow the Buddhadharma to it's full realization while in a romantic relationship of any kind. Not impossible, but your partner has to be of the same understanding as you for it to work, imo. Otherwise, you will not be meeting their relationship expectations, and that will cause problems of its own. A conflict of choosing between your relationship and your path.
    Great overall post, 1-2. I think it's probably possible to love more than one partner, in the same way that mothers are able to love all their children. Some mothers have favorites, others don't. All relationships take work, mindfulness, compassion, etc., even friendships.
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