Howdy, Stranger!

It looks like you're new here. If you want to get involved, click one of these buttons!

Examples: Monday, today, last week, Mar 26, 3/26/04
Welcome home! Please contact lincoln@icrontic.com if you have any difficulty logging in or using the site. New registrations must be manually approved which may take several days. Can't log in? Try clearing your browser's cookies.

Employment problem

edited August 2011 in Buddhism Today
I am just coming out of a bad employment experience. Long story short - my line manager psychologically bullied me for months on end, I ended up having a stress breakdown, I took it through the grievance procedure, and they maintained after a wealth of evidence to the contrary that no bullying had taken place (in spite of the fact that the individual crossed several lines laid out by their own policy). They have transferred me to another branch that I physically cannot travel to because trains don't run that early (the job starts at 6am). I am trying to negotiate a severance agreement with them (i.e. them paying me off) and am currently waiting on the outcome of that from my solicitor. In the meantime, I am on unpaid leave and we are financially screwed, not to mention the knot in my chest as a result of waiting.

Am I greedy to want severance pay from them? Should I have just quit - would that have been better, karma-wise? Should I just have compassion for my boss and the company? (I'm working on it, but it's hard.) I need money in order to survive, obviously, but I also feel they need to be made to pay for having treated me badly and forced me into leaving, and having tried to dodge the issue at the grievance stage. But it is my place to do that, or should I have just let karma decide? What's the right thing? I'm massively confused! :(

Comments

  • Asking money for your survival sounds logical,

    Asking money to make 'wrongs' right......it just doesn't work proper that way.

    I came from a similar experience a few months ago. My company paid me two months extra, we signed a paper for discharge agreed on both sides. I went looking for a job, during crises it wasn't that easy, but now I found a nice job.

    i'm not sure karma fixes stuff just like that. It often requires some active part of you too.
  • aMattaMatt Veteran
    edited August 2011
    Vix,

    It sounds like a lot is going on over there! I'm sorry for the stress and upset swirling around, it can be very painful to have to sit with such uncertainty and fear. :(

    I think your reaching out to consider the karmic implications of your actions is great! To me, it sounds like you really wish to cultivate a compassionate life. Perhaps it would help if you look for forgiveness for the wrong actions of others. The line manager is living a life of misery, or they would not treat people that way.

    Do you meditate? That knot in your chest (as you describe it) gets between you and acting skillfully. The finances will work out in one way or another, and easier if you let go of the old stress and confront your present moment with your awareness and mental tenacity.

    If you wish to find compassion for them, perhaps you could recall times in your life when you acted poorly, and see how the line manager's actions are a fruit from the same kind of tree. The same poisons drive all unskillful actions, and it is sad that humankind has such dissonance in it. You might consider doing metta practice on yourself, your family, the company and the manager. Then, rather than anger at the poisons in ourselves and others, we feel warmth and understanding.

    With warmth,

    Matt
  • Thank you for your responses! I am feeling a bit easier now.

    @aMatt, when you say 'do some metta practice', so you mean something specific? I know what metta is but I'm not aware of any way to practice it other than to make the attempt to think in a different way...or is that what you meant?
  • aMattaMatt Veteran
    I'm on my phone, which makes posting youtube links problematic. Ajahn Jayasaro has a great talk on metta on youtube. If you can't find it, I'll post a link when I get back to my computer.
  • DhammaDhatuDhammaDhatu Veteran
    edited August 2011
    1. Am I greedy to want severance pay from them?

    2. Should I have just quit - would that have been better, karma-wise?

    3. Should I just have compassion for my boss and the company? (I'm working on it, but it's hard.) (
    1. No.

    2. No.

    3. N/A.

    You did the right thing.

    Now you must weigh up what is best? Having a job in a new location or the severance pay?

    Can you easily find another job? Will the severance pay be enough?

    :confused:
  • DhammaDhatuDhammaDhatu Veteran
    edited August 2011
    My sister experienced such bullying for about two years, with a new boss, in a job she had for many years, with one of Australia's largest companies.

    She was extremely lucky though - a fluke - that the company decided to outsource the work of her whole department and she was given 12 months severance pay, which co-incided with her 10 year long service leave.

    So even in big companies bullying is getting worse.

    My sister was passive but, generelly, one has no choice but to address it.

    I was bullied by a boss so I asked for a new boss. My boss was reduced to tears and I was asked to apologise to her (lol) but she improved. But then, I work for a large govt department, so straightening out your boss is generally easy there.

    :)
  • DhammaDhatuDhammaDhatu Veteran
    edited August 2011
    ...should I have just let karma decide?
    'Karma' is not fate. Karma means 'action'. Karma means the decisions you make and the actions you take.

    Are you sure you cannot arrange travel to the new location? Is this just an excuse?

    The central issue is whether you can find a new job easily.

    Regards :)
  • edited August 2011
    Based on my possibly sophomoric interpretation of true compassion in Buddhism:

    Just as it's important to acknowledge that you're not more important than any other sentient being on this planet, we all need to recognize that we are no _less_ important than anybody else, either. We deserve fair treatment, if we're going to engage in work, commerce, and all of that other troublesome nonsense that not being a monk creates :P.
  • @Dhamma Dhatu,

    No, it is not just an excuse. Public travel is not available at that time of day, and even if it was it would cost £10 per day, or around 20% of my income. I am on minimum wage and just cannot afford that. Not to mention getting there on public transport (even if it WAS available at that time of day) involves 3 separate trains and an hour-long commute each way. It's a 9.5 hour day as it is, and I have 2 kids under the age of 5 and am trying to do a degree as well. It's far from a reasonable outcome when I could just find a similar job in my own town.

    Luckily for me, I have highly marketable skills in a different area. I am a professional proofreader and I have also been doing some English tutoring. So I am going to use this situation as the push I need to start my own business. I have had enough clients to put together a portfolio of my proofreading work and two references for tutoring, and I am fortunate to be close personal friends with a web designer. :) I am also fortunate to live in Britain, where there is a lot of financial help available for people on a low income. So, very far from all bad.
  • Vix, it's for situations like this that lawyers were invented. If there's a wealth of evidence that you were harmed, and you even had a breakdown, you'd most likely have a good case against them. If they deny you severance pay, you might consider consulting with a lawyer. Some lawyers will agree to take their fee out of the settlement, if the fee is a concern. They need to know they can't just run all over people. I know this is a step you may not be willing to take. But consider that an employee suing them is the karmic fruition of their bullying. That's how karma works. Anyway, good luck with whatever happens.
  • I see it as an opportunity to start something new and more lucrative for you. Maybe even more time with the kids. You have to look at the positive sides of things. I hate change, but when it comes you have to embrace it. As for the bullying and severance, I would do what I could to get what I deserve, but you have to keep the ego in check. It will tell you crazy stuff like you deserve millions of dollars or something crazy like that. Just stay in the present moment, and keep looking inward for answers. The true self knows what it needs, and can decipher between wants and needs. Keep your head up. Utilize what your society provides. If Britain has good programs for someone in your shoes, then use them.
    I will keep you in my thoughts and try to send positive energy your way.

    :thumbsup:
  • @Dakini, I already have a lawyer...good thinking though. :)

    @tbunton - Heheh, you must have read my mind. I've already been through the ego thing of dreaming of multi-million dollar settlements...it ain't gonna happen any time soon. My solicitor thinks he can get me 6 months' pay, which would be good. But I'll see how it goes. The solicitor was kind enough to waive the setup fee for arranging the severance, so I'm taking that as a positive sign, karmically speaking.

    In the meantime, I am deepening my practice and trying to stay calm, although that knot of tension in my chest still keeps coming back. :-/
  • DakiniDakini Veteran
    edited August 2011
    Anxiety about employment in a difficult economy is normal. Don't beat yourself up about the knot in your chest, that'll only make it worse. Acknowledge it, say "hello" to it, rather than try to push it away. You'll get through this. 6 months' severance would be a major blessing. Good luck. : )
Sign In or Register to comment.