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The Buddha as absentee father

edited September 2011 in General Banter
I got into a discussion with my husband this evening about the Buddha. He was utterly shocked to find out that Siddhartha left his wife and son in order to go forth into the world and said it was the one thing he'd found that he didn't like about Buddhism.

It's a salient point, for sure. Siddhartha had made a commitment to his wife and was directly responsible for his son, and viewed from a certain standpoint, it was irresponsible of him to leave them. Whilst he didn't exactly leave them to starve in the gutter, there was no guarantee that they would be taken care of in his absence as the scriptures don't go into detail about how he made provision for them. As far as I can ascertain, his wife was pretty much dependent on the good will of Siddhartha's father after he left. Having said that though, nobody seemed particularly put out by this, least of all the wife and son, who I understand actually became followers of his some years later. I don't know very much about cultural norms in that part of the world at that time but perhaps it was a usual occurrence back then.

Also, it could possibly be argued that it wasn't as if he was going off to please himself - he was actually motivated by humanity's suffering and if he did manage to figure it out, his family would benefit too. I also find it interesting after questioning my other half that, had the Buddha gone off to fight in a war, he would have viewed him as a hero and not found his absence particularly remarkable or objectionable.

Have any of you ever pondered this particular aspect of the Buddha's life and if so, what's your thinking on it?

Comments

  • This used to be something of a turn off for me as well (long before I became more familiar with Buddhism).

    There are a couple things to bear in mind: Marriages in a lot of cultures used to be affairs arranged entirely by the parents, sometimes even when their children were young (even Gandhi's marriage was arranged, before puberty IIRC). Marriage was originally a kind of political institution to form alliances between different tribes, families and so on (and there are still many places today where this practice is carried out).

    "Love" in the modern romantic sense, didn't exist back then, and marriage in the modern sense did not exist either. Or if you did truly love someone, it was still not your choice to make. If you were lucky, you grew to love the person you were forced to marry. And if you didn't, too bad.

    I'm not saying the Buddha did not have feelings of love Yashodara or his infant son, but we often confuse the word "marriage" used back then for "marriage" used today, and all that it implies.
  • I love your point about if he'd abandoned them to go off to war, he'd have been considered a hero. That's a new one.
  • "Love" in the modern romantic sense, didn't exist back then
    Huh??? What story books you been reading? For sure lots of marriages were arranged, but I'm fairly sure that romantic love existed back 2600 years ago as well :)

    I agree - if he'd left them to go chop heads off and conquer new lands, he'd have been a big shot hero. And don't forget, his wife and his son later became his pupils. He didn't abandon them forever.
  • Perhaps I wasn't clear-- marriage based on romantic love (people choosing to marry one another because they loved one another) didn't exist back then. You didn't get to choose who you got to marry.
  • That's why they invented paramours :)
  • CinorjerCinorjer Veteran
    edited September 2011
    It's great that your husband holds the responsibilities of family in such high regard. A husband and father leaving brings images in our modern minds of deadbeat dads in a midlife crisis who abandon their wife and baby to have some fun. I, too, take my wedding vows and family responsibilities seriously. I could never leave my own wife to join a Sangha, but then again I don't have to.

    It's the difference between a husband leaving to shack up with another woman, and a man who left to fight a war. Leaving the family is tragic but duty calls. Guatama left a life of luxury including what was probably concubines to go along with the royal household to live the life of a beggar. I'm sure his father and wife and everyone else in the palace were as mystified as us in why he did such an insane thing.

    Guatama was driven to discovering why people where unhappy. Not just why he was unhappy, but everyone. It was that obsession with comprehending the mystery of Dukkha that allowed him to finally realize his awakening.

  • @Cinorjer - you have this great knack of just saying absolutely everything that could ever need to be said on any topic. :) Thanks for your contribution!
  • @Cinorjer - you have this great knack of just saying absolutely everything that could ever need to be said on any topic. :) Thanks for your contribution!
    That's why we're lucky he's stuck with us through thick and thin. ;)

    Love your new avatar, vix!
  • CloudCloud Veteran
    edited September 2011
    Many parents in nature do not both stay to raise children. It's a choice for two humans to do so, rather than "right" or "wrong". That's not to mention that they probably didn't feel as strongly about it in India of 2500 years ago as we do. Gautama did leave his child in guaranteed safety and luxury in a palace, and that child later in life aspired to the end of suffering just like his father. If Rahula didn't seem to mind, nor his mother, we shouldn't either. ;)
  • @Cinorjer - you have this great knack of just saying absolutely everything that could ever need to be said on any topic. :) Thanks for your contribution!
    That's why we're lucky he's stuck with us through thick and thin. ;)

    Love your new avatar, vix!
    Hehe, I'm rather fond of it myself. :) I'm a board gamer and like to display my geekiness every once in a while...
  • Oh, that's from board games? I thought it was a defiant fist raised in protest of life's injustices. Silly me... :s
  • You weren't wrong, @Dakini - it is indeed a defiant fist, but the word 'meeple' refers to the little wooden people used in the board game Carcassonne (amongst others), hence the little coloured figures.
  • The Buddha left his family in a comfortable palace, wanting for nothing, with relatives and servants surrounding them. They may have missed him, but they didn't need him - they were well looked after.

    Saying he was an "absentee father" makes it sound like he left them homeless and penniless to starve, for no good reason. Which was hardly the case.

    We do need to take in account different cultures, too. In our culture, we consider the nuclear family (mum, dad, 2.4 kids) to be essential, but in many other cultures families are more extended and complex, with children often 'farmed out' to other relatives, and long-term servants effectively becoming part of the family. Traditionally, even in the West, we talked of "households" rather than "families", and that could include dogs and horses, as well as servants, other people's children, long-term guests etc. It was much more fluid than the rigid structure we in the West consider "normal". I sometimes think our way of life must sound rather lonely to someone from a traditional culture.
  • The Buddha left his family in a comfortable palace, wanting for nothing, with relatives and servants surrounding them. They may have missed him, but they didn't need him - they were well looked after.
    They were when he left, yes. But that doesn't mean he definitely knew for sure they would be after his departure. And how can you be certain what the degree of need was? (This was the basis for the original discussion.)
    Saying he was an "absentee father" makes it sound like he left them homeless and penniless to starve, for no good reason. Which was hardly the case.
    He was still absent from his child's life - this, by definition, made him an absentee. The material situation of those he left behind is neither here nor there.
    We do need to take in account different cultures, too. In our culture, we consider the nuclear family (mum, dad, 2.4 kids) to be essential, but in many other cultures families are more extended and complex, with children often 'farmed out' to other relatives, and long-term servants effectively becoming part of the family. Traditionally, even in the West, we talked of "households" rather than "families", and that could include dogs and horses, as well as servants, other people's children, long-term guests etc. It was much more fluid than the rigid structure we in the West consider "normal". I sometimes think our way of life must sound rather lonely to someone from a traditional culture.
    This was what eventually reconciled me to the idea, too. But we are all products of our culture and it takes time to adjust one's views to take account of very different cultures if you are not used to doing so.
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