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Mindfulness in Plain English or Wherever you Go, There you Are?

edited October 2011 in Buddhism Basics
I just started Beyond Mindfulness and the author has recommended mindfulness as a prerequisite to concentration (and then seemed to contradict himself but whatever) and I can see the usefulness of it. I would read Mindfulness in Plain English but I would either have to spend more money and wait for it to come in the mail or read it off the computer monitor... which I don't especially care for. Has anyone read Wherever you Go, There you Are? Do you think it would be a good alternative? I will probably still read Mindfulness in Plain English eventually either way but I already have a copy of Wherever you Go, There you Are.

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  • I don't think you can miss. I have read mindfulness in plain english and it is great. It gives a meditation method and ample support. Which you can experiment with mindfulness on your own.

    I have listened to Jon Zinn's Full Catastrophe of Living and that is also great. He wrote Wherever You Go There You Are (is that correct?)..

    Anyhow I think Jon Zinn really grounds people in the experience of their bodies. There is his emphasis. Just my take. Its been a long time since Mindfulness in Plain English, but he talks more about a meditation context for the mindfulness, though they both touch into both meditation and daily life.

    Zinn talks about and leads you through the process of taking a single raisin and taking it in with all your senses. the feel of it in your hand. How your hand is so good at twirling and manipulating it. The weight and the shapes of all the ridges. The smell and the way your teeth accept it expertly and the bite. The texture of the bite...............and it is something you experience for your self. A raisin!

    Henebola or whatever in Mindfulness in Plain english explains very clearly why mindfulness is helpful. At one point he says it won't help you in the ways you expect or hope for at first. You might think of a solution to a problem your uncle is having in meditation. That statement made meditation seem more natural to my mind and not mystical.

    Those are the two pieces that I remember from each: the raisin and the uncle.

  • 've never read 'whereever you go'... But I've read a TON of book on meditation, and I mean a TON, and in my opinion 'mindfullness in plain english' is the best manual for beginners that's ever been written.

    It is clearly written, easy to understand, easy to apply, and presents an EFFECTIVE method of meditation which is something not easily found in books... It even goes into dealing with specific areas of difficulty in meditation that you would not know about or how to deal with unless you were very advanced. This aspect in and of itself makes it worth its weight in gold

    You could read it at borders, get it from your local library, print it up. You can even borrow my copy if you're actually going to read it :)
  • Lol Thanks Jeffrey.
  • edited October 2011
    Haha thanks for the offer ajnast4. But I like having my own copies of books. I'm sure I will get my own copy very soon. I am just very eager to learn about mindfulness so I can start practicing as soon as possible. (Is it all ironic that I'm trying to rush into a mindfulness practice?)
  • Mindfullness and concentration develope together, imo... 2 sides of the same coin. Being able to obtain basic states of concentration will allow you a much clearer understanding of what mindfulness really means. As long as you are practicing meditation as taught by the Buddha they will both develop!

  • If your goal is to practice sitting meditation then I think "Plain English" is the better choice. He anticipates well the problems you are likely to have, and gives recommendations that he backs up with clear explanations.
  • Plain English is the best instruction book on meditation I have ever read. I've read quite a few. I would highly recommend it to anyone who wishes to meditate effectively.
  • Read most of Mindfulness in Plain English this morning. I'm surprised. I thought it was going to be more about mindfulness throughout your day and not so much about sitting meditation... It makes it even more confusing that he suggested it as a prerequisite to concentration in beyond mindfulness. In MiPL he says that concentration is a prerequisite to mindfulness... I'm a bit confused.

  • Do the sitting meditation. It will be worth your while. It will enhance your ability to be mindful throughout the day.

    Also, the concentration vs. mindfulness confusion is commonplace. Don't spend time worrying about this. "Beyond mindfulness" is an advanced book and he is probably referring to a higher stage of concentration. In MiPE he is talking about developing a relatively low level of concentration in order to cultivate your meditation practice. You should probably not bother with "Beyond mindfulness" at least until you have spend a few hundred hours following MiPE.

    DO NOT over intellectualize this. It's a practice. Spend more time doing it and you will learn for yourself.
  • Thanks for the advice Buddhajunkie. I think I just need to keep the metaphor of sediment settling in water in mind and focus on my breath for a while.
  • GlowGlow Veteran
    edited October 2011
    doesn't actually provide very much instruction, if that's what you're looking for. The book consists of short, poetic reflections on the nature of mindfulness and it's place and ramification in everyday life. For another book by Kabat-Zinn that is much more nuts-and-bolts instruction, Full Catastrophe Living is excellent, detailed (perhaps a bit much so), and easy to understand.
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