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Too Simple and Too Obvious: excerpt of R. Shikpo

JeffreyJeffrey Veteran
edited December 2011 in Arts & Writings
Rigdizin Shikpo explains:

Too Simple and Too Obvious

Many students find this meditation even more difficult than meditation on the three times. When you ask yourself "Where do thoughts come from?" you may instantly reply, "Thoughts come from my mind." This is not helpful, because "my mind" is just words, and we are not looking for words. We are looking for a direct experience. We habitually say that thoughts come from teh mind, even though we have no idea what we mean by it. We talk about "my mind" all the time, without having the faintest idea what it is! So it means nothing to say that thoughts are in my mind. And to say, as people often do these days, that thoughts come from the subconscious or unconscious is just as unclear and meaningless. Mind is just a word. We need to look for the place where thoughts arise as an actual experience.

The problem is that what we are being asked to do is too simple. One of the main difficulties of Buddhist practice is that it is too simple and too obvious. We human beings are very complicated, and we like theories and structures. We don't want to look at things in a simple, straightforward way and ask ourselves such direct questions.

If you hold a glass of orange juice in your hand and ask yourself, "Where did this glass come from?" it would make sense to say that it was created by a glassmaker or some kind of machine. You could then consider the elaborate conditions that produce the glass. But it's quite a different matter when you are talking about your own mind.

Comments

  • Is the mind not just neurons firing?
  • JeffreyJeffrey Veteran
    edited December 2011
    When we say 'mind' are we referring to an experience? For example we might say "I can't put that out of my mind".
  • possibilitiespossibilities PNW, WA State Veteran
    i didn't notice the explanation. Where do thoughts come from?
  • I haven't gotten to the explanation in the book. But I think its more something to see for yourself. The meditation of the three times calls you to notice that the past and future occur in the present. This meditation calls you to ask *where* thoughts come from. "In your own experience the answer is" (yoda).
  • @jeffrey well hurry up and finish the book so we can hear the answer :)
  • I've heard my lama talk about this exercise, shenpen hookham, and the answer is no use. If your stuck at the intellectual level you say, whats the answer. Then you get it and you say, "ok got that whats next?".. she calls that 'the big so-what'. Whereas if this is a transformative realization you have examined this question yourself in your own mediation. It is mind blowing to see (I hear). This is the type of realization which is necessary to go from mundane truth to noble truth. But it is not an intellectual realization. Its like the song says "all you need is love" (Lennon) and you can say 'oh whatever'. But it can be so much more transformative!
  • "Too simple and too obvious" indeed.

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