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During Anapanasati I visualize the air going in and out of my nostrils.

buddhistokbuddhistok Veteran
edited December 2011 in Meditation
Though my eyes are closed, while meditating I focus on the air going in and out of my nostrils. I can't seem to help but visualize the air going in and out of my nostrils while I'm doing it, MOST OF THE TIME. Sometimes I am able to focus purely on the feeling without visualizing the air, but it's only for a second or 2 at most. Is there anything wrong with this?

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  • what exactly are you visualizing?
  • what exactly are you visualizing?
    I guess just a picture of my nostril with air represented by dotted lines flowing in and then flowing out.
  • During the pause I just see the picture of my nose in my mind, without the air.
  • ajnast4rajnast4r Veteran
    edited December 2011
    I've never read/heard of a visual image being used for Anapanasati. The common instruction is to ignore any sort of pictures or images that come up, or rather note it and move on.
  • I've never read/heard of a visual image being used for Anapanasati. The common instruction is to ignore any sort of pictures or images that come up, or rather note it and move on.
    That's a problem then because that's what I've been doing for a while and it's difficult to stop.
  • I've never read/heard of a visual image being used for Anapanasati. The common instruction is to ignore any sort of pictures or images that come up, or rather note it and move on.
    Forgot to say thanks.
  • you're welcome. where did you learn to do it like that?

    you can change your object of focus, its not a big deal. just stick with the sensation, note the image, and eventually the image will go away.
  • I didn't learn it from anyone I just do it that way. Actually now that I think about it, I do that with all types of breathing meditations. I can't seem to stop.
  • IMO, its best to pick a method from an attained teacher and learn it. Anything you don't place your focus on will fade off into the periphery eventually... just stick with the sensation.

    Bhante Gunaratana's meditation manual Mindfulness in Plain English is a good manual(the best imo) and a proven method. If you're serious about taking up Anapanasati you should read it.

    http://www.urbandharma.org/udharma4/mpe.html

    "What you are looking for is the physical, tactile sensation of the air that passes in and out of the nostrils. This is usually just inside the tip of the nose. But the exact spot varies from one person to another, depending on the shape of the nose. To find your own point, take a quick deep breath and notice the point just inside the nose or on the upper lip where you have the most distinct sensation of passing air. Now exhale and notice the sensation at the same point. It is from this point that you will follow the whole passage of breath. Once you have located your own breath point with clarity, don't deviate from that spot. Use this single point in order to keep your attention fixed. Without having selected such a point, you will find yourself moving in and out of the nose, going up and down the windpipe, eternally chasing after the breath which you can never catch because it keeps changing, moving and flowing."
  • Thanks for pointing out that exerpt. I haven't gotten that far into the book yet.

    I tried for this out for 15 minutes of meditation. First I tried not visualizing anything, that didn't work, at all. I was continuously seeing my nose with the air going in and out. Next I tried visualizing the words "COLD" and "HOT" with each in and out breath, only to realize that I was still seeing those words in my mind's eye. Finally I tried the method you quoted from "Mindfulness in Plain English" and i was visualizing the area in my nose described as the "breath point": two points, similar to dots, becoming cold and hot repeatedly. I can't seem to stop seeing things while I meditate. I always see something in my mind's eye.

    Maybe I should give some additional information: I have schizophrenia. However, I am taking medications and very rarely have visual hallucinations.
  • It seems to me that you may be adding an extra complication which later you will have to let go of. The idea is not to visualise but to concentrate on the sensation. This will happen if you keep on with it. It may take time.
  • JeffreyJeffrey Veteran
    edited December 2011
    How about just working with what you do see? Welcome it to the space of your awareness.
  • If your are schizophrenic you should not be taking up vipassana practice by your self...this is, imo, very dangerous. You need to find a qualified teacher who can guide you through appropriate practice that's suitable for your illness. If you wanna post where you live I can help you find someone local.
  • If your are schizophrenic you should not be taking up vipassana practice by your self...this is, imo, very dangerous. You need to find a qualified teacher who can guide you through appropriate practice that's suitable for your illness. If you wanna post where you live I can help you find someone local.
    Why can't you just tell me where you would go if you had that information (where I live)?
  • I'm schizophrenic and I meditate. I think you can't generalize like that.
  • @buddhistok it will vary by region, when I get home from work ill post some places for you to check out.

    @jeffrey I could be wrong but it seems to be pretty well established that people with a major mental illness should not be doing intensive meditation without guidance.
  • ajna I agree to be gentle in meditation if you have a mental illness. But it can actually be helpful.

    Walking meditation is quite good for mental illness because it bridges the mind and body. I recommend walking meditation.
  • I agree I think meditation will help any mental illness... Its just that if you have a major one it would be in your best interest to find a teacher specifically for vipassana and especially for intensive vipassana. Vipassana has the tendency to dredge up a lot of crap. I agree about walking meditation
  • @buddhistok it will vary by region, when I get home from work ill post some places for you to check out.

    @jeffrey I could be wrong but it seems to be pretty well established that people with a major mental illness should not be doing intensive meditation without guidance.
    Actually the psychiatrist approved of a once weekly half hour long meditation session with a psychologist that is very familiar with meditation and Buddhism. I'm not sure either way though if he would approve of meditating any longer or more frequently.

  • You should listen to your psychiatrist and do as he instructs. Meditating on your own may only serve to hurt you. At the very least you should find a good teacher.
  • You should listen to your psychiatrist and do as he instructs. Meditating on your own may only serve to hurt you. At the very least you should find a good teacher.
    By the way, I really appreciate that you're going to post some places for me to check out.

    @jeffrey and @ajnast4r why do you both believe that walking meditation is so important? I ask because I've learned from many sources that Anapanasati is the first step.
  • Walking meditation helps to get away from the 'I' layer of thinking into your 6 senses: body and mind. It feels as if your mind and body are becoming balanced. If anpanasati is the first step I am not aware of that.
  • edited December 2011
    It is ok that you are having mental images of your breath. In fact it is very normal and often expected. What this means is that your brain is working. What ever we place our attention upon our mind begins to work at it, producing perception layered with conceptions. Your job in meditation is not to try to stop these images but to be endlessly aware of them. Over time they will slow down at the rate they form. Then with enough cultivation they will stop.

    If you sit to meditate with the intention to stop your thoughts you will be thinking about your thoughts. This is not right or skillful effort. Our effort is to be awake and aware of our self (body-mind complex). That is all. Just be there with your breath, body, and mind.
  • I agree I think meditation will help any mental illness... Its just that if you have a major one it would be in your best interest to find a teacher specifically for vipassana and especially for intensive vipassana. Vipassana has the tendency to dredge up a lot of crap. I agree about walking meditation
  • I think the advise to practice Vipassana only with guidance from a teacher is sound whether or not one has a mental illness.
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