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Mindfulness and Non-judgement

JeffreyJeffrey Veteran
edited January 2012 in Buddhism Basics
I recently read this in a text and I thought it was a basic of mindfulness as well as an advanced practice. Here it is:

In mindfulness there is no such thing as success and failure..


When we are mindful it is always good. If we drift in thought while doing the dishes the moment we come back to the dishes or the breath that is already good mindfulness.

The only way it is bad mindfulness is when we get a gaining mind and think the mindfulness is good/bad.

Comments

  • I can agree with no success or failure, but poor mindfulness and no mindfulness do exist. These are more hurtful to the individual than to others - imo.
  • The way I was taught Vipassana it was all about mental noting without sticking any judgment on it.

    So there is no failure in dreaming or in anger and there is no success in blissful states of mind.
    The mindful thing to do is to simply make a note of “dreaming” or “anger” or “bliss”. And that’s it.

    So when you start to think you’re superman because you are so damn mindful, you just make a note.
    “A thought”


  • I think people can misunderstand what mindfulness is simply because it is so highly stressed in meditation practice. But what is mindfulness in everyday life? Mindfulness in everyday life simply means being aware of what you are doing. And what happens when you are not aware of what you are doing? Simply put, disaster.
  • When you're not aware you eventually you turn back. Mindfulness is aligning with the awake quality of mind. No lapse in mindfulness deserves a scolding. And no amount of mindfulness deserves a reward.

    My lama I am taking a correspondance course had a story of going to tea at a woman's house. The woman dropped a tea cup and the husband scolded "mindfulness!" My lama I forget what she said at the time but what she was thinking was simply "mindfulness of cup breaking" "ching".

    The reason we don't scold is that habit either agitates us or dulls us. Think of the wife and how she must have felt to be scolded, agitated or dulled.
  • possibilitiespossibilities PNW, WA State Veteran
    No lapse in mindfulness deserves a scolding.
    @Jeffrey What if absentmindedness causes harm?
  • zenffzenff Veteran
    edited January 2012

    My lama I am taking a correspondance course had a story of going to tea at a woman's house. The woman dropped a tea cup and the husband scolded "mindfulness!" My lama I forget what she said at the time but what she was thinking was simply "mindfulness of cup breaking" "ching".
    That’s a good story.
    Another example is the sniper. He is very “mindful”. He has only one shot. He watches his breath; watches his heartbeat even. And then – very carefully – he pulls the trigger.

    I hope it is clear that something is missing in the “mindfulness” of the sniper.
    Surely he is paying attention to what he is doing ant surely he is in the here and now; but he doesn’t see what’s happening anyways. He’s closing his eyes for something.

    Mindfulness is also about looking inside and questioning what you see there. What’s going on in my mind right now? Why am I doing this?
    It’s not just pulling the trigger without dreaming off.

    Imho.
  • JeffreyJeffrey Veteran
    edited January 2012
    @possibilities, I'm not sure. I think intent is important, right? Remember, you can't fix samsara. You can't make all the accidents (hot and cold, life and death) stop and become superman. Of course when you get to the level of a buddha then I guess they say you are omniscient and so forth. So to sum it up I don't really know. But I think that doesn't invalidate what I was saying.


  • Mindfulness is also about looking inside and questioning what you see there. What’s going on in my mind right now? Why am I doing this?
    It’s not just pulling the trigger without dreaming off.

    Imho.
    @zenff I thought that was interesting about looking inside. The meditation instruction I was given aside from posture and method and so forth I was given four signposts (I call them). Awake, heart, present, and space. Now heart it isn't a big deal made out of it but it is just to say that you have a very real stake in the whole affair. To me 'heart' reminds me that I am not just some robotic taperecorder.

  • zenffzenff Veteran
    edited January 2012
    "To me 'heart' reminds me that I am not just some robotic taperecorder."

    Exactly.
    And “heart” could also refer to embracing whatever comes up in our minds.
    Non-judgment can have something judgmental about it?
    Could there be someone internally scolding; “Judgment!” :werr:
  • It's a paradox in abstraction but there is a motion of metta perhaps that supports one in melting the judgement. I think.
  • possibilitiespossibilities PNW, WA State Veteran
    I think intent is important, right? Remember, you can't fix samsara. You can't make all the accidents (hot and cold, life and death) stop and become superman.(.......) But I think that doesn't invalidate what I was saying.
    @Jeffrey I wasn't trying to argue! :-) and wasn't referring to your original statement (In mindfulness there is no such thing as success and failure) because it seems to me either you are mindful or not. Thus no failure because that would be called something else. Like black if not complete is no longer black but maybe grey.... semantics? I don't know.

    My question was regarding the 'scolding' ("No lapse in mindfulness deserves a scolding.") since I was confronted with a situation today where someone's inattentiveness caused harm. And I was upset and "scolded". Now you are suggesting it depends on the intent whether scolding is appropriate - of course this was unintentional... yet the damage is done. What is wrong with 'scolding' as in expressing disappointment and telling the person it is actually his fault?

    "No lapse in mindfulness deserves a scolding. " also contradicts "In mindfulness there is no such thing as success and failure.." because the "lapse" is a "failure"....

  • @possibilities, I think in your situation you were communicating. It is truly an art to express displeasure and we do our best. We can try to follow the example of the bodhisattvas and arhats in their behaviour :)

    With regard to my idea of actual mindfulness I thought of an analogy. When you are lax and drift off as you come back to mindfulness it is as if you were away and then return home to your family. A good relationship to such an experience is like being welcomed back. A bad relationship, well the analogy somewhat breaks down, but it would be like a bad welcome.

    Back to your example it is also an art to accept criticism. So I think that both parties were tested and I think it's too bad for the harm caused.
  • driedleafdriedleaf Veteran
    edited January 2012
    "No lapse in mindfulness deserves a scolding. " also contradicts "In mindfulness there is no such thing as success and failure.." because the "lapse" is a "failure"....
    I guess it would be up to the person to decide if it was failure, since there is nobody else watching this happen. If I had a lapse and got scolded for it, then I had given them a reason to do that. Whether or not is failure should be up to person who lapsed to decide.

  • Another thought: The U of Michigan football coach said in a clip I watched today that within his team there is both tough love and kisses on the cheak. Big losses and also wins.
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