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Can a Muslim Marry a Non-Muslim?
ajani_mgo
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Just asking this question for a close friend...
Is there anything under moderate syariah law that explicitly forbids the union through marriage of a Muslim male and a non-Muslim female, without a mandatory conversion of the female to Islam?
Is there anything under moderate syariah law that explicitly forbids the union through marriage of a Muslim male and a non-Muslim female, without a mandatory conversion of the female to Islam?
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Muslim men can only marry non-Muslims who are either Christians or Jews.
Out of curiousity, Why the fact that Muslims can only marry those that are Christians or Jews?
I assumed that the non-muslim have to convert to a Muslim.
The Quran says that Muslim men can marry people of the book (i.e. Jews and Christians). I think this is because Christians and Jews worship our God.
However, Muslim women cannot marry non-Muslim men. I think this is because children usually choose the religion of their father, and if the father isn't a Muslim.... the children won't be Muslim.
Why is the law in modern societies so biased for women? (Women get away with things more often.)
I have a thing for nostalgia. I want to go back to a time when it was okay to listen to the men and not be called a traitor.
And well. Jews follow the religion of the mother, not the father. I think. Right?
"Civil Partnership is a completely new legal relationship, exclusively for same-sex couples, distinct from marriage."
Can one request the law to do something? Can one be above the law?
I am before the law. And I am asking you: Why can't a civil partnership include those with different religions?
And then I found this on Google Answers:
"A civil partnership (called civil marriage in Denmark) is entered at
the town hall in front of the mayor or an assistant appointed by the
mayor. This procedure has no religious aspect - you are simply asked
to identify yourself, sign some papers, and off you go. Here it is the
town hall that sends off documents to the same central registry
indicating that the two parties are now officially "married".
The civil partnership gives you the same legal rights as a church
marriage - but is not associated with religion at all."
Yayness.
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I feel like a queer thing.
Thank you so much people. (Sarcasm.)
Some people are against civil partnerships because it apparently undervalues marriage. I get your logic. I get your point. I understand you, but I wish you would try to see things from my view also.
This was what they said.
READ ME
Could you please clarify what you feel the problem is? This is incorrect.
What do you mean, exactly?
Also incorrect, as you have discovered.
Sometimes they can, and do.... As I personally feel they should....
Not really sure I understand what your point is....
The forum in your link is a Christian one...
What are you trying to say, exactly?
I am puzzled.
Okay, I'll try to clarify.
In response to the first quoted bit:
Recently I read in the newspapers about how Italian women are legalled allowed to lie if they commit adultery in order to "protect their dignity and honour".
In response to the second quoted bit:
Don't you find that nowadays non-feminists, as in those who aren't radically feminists (aka bra-burners) are accused of being pro-male-chauvinist? In my case at least. Well, I for one think that it is much better to embrace feminity (although not extremely) rather than try to BE a man to beat a man.
In response to the third quoted bit:
Well yeah. That was something I quoted. Only in some countries is it allowed for heterosexuals. Most civil partnerships are exclusively for homosexuals. Some countries don't even allow civil partnerships.
In response to the fourth quoted bit:
Yes, I want them to. Where I am living now. As in: I want civil partnerships to include those of different sexes but of different religions where neither are willing to convert.
And they say love conquers all. Tsk.
Oh, the Christian link was not on purpose. It was one of the links I found on civil marriages. I'm not Christian. Hardly. Far from it. lol
It's okay to be puzzled. You don't really have to understand me. I hardly know what I'm thinking sometimes. My thoughts run away before me.
Take my advice. believe nothing you read in a newspaper....
Everyone is 'legally allow to lie" - People do it all the time. Especially adulterers... and no matter where you are, every country is full of them.... There is no Law against it, as such. The only time it contravenes the Law, is if a Law on the Statute books is broken. And as far as I'm aware, Adultery is not a Statute Law punishable by imprisonment.
These reports are called stories... why do you think that is...? "Stories" are a good way of selling newspapers... Having been the victim of "Good, honest newspaper reporting" I never believe anything in a paper unless I'm reporting it myself....! No. I don't find that at all. I'm a Feminist in the sense that I believe men and women should be regarded as equally entitled to be different. Maybe you're seeing things differently in Singapore, where the Culture is entirely different. But I don't know. It's a different culture to mine, so I can't comment....all I know is that there are Feminist men, Feminist women, feminine women, macho men, feminine men and macho women... It takes all sorts to make a world....! In all countries where civil marriage ceremonies exist, they were created long ago primarily for heterosexual partnerships. Only recently have Civil marriage ceremonies been permissible for Homosexuals, wishing to have their partnerships recognised in the eyes of the Law. I think you may be not only mistaken, but confused...! The key phrase is "where you are living now"
Here in the UK, and in other countries, there is no problem in either inter-racial, or inter-denominational marriages.
I suggest if you're not happy with the way things are, where you are - perhaps at some point you may like to consider moving....?
It can do....
(It depends where you live....)
Yes, I can see that....! Could I respectfully suggest that you perhaps may like to broaden your investigations before making comments which are actually a little flawed....?
I'm not saying there's no inter-racial or inter-religious marriages here in Singapore. I was wondering about Civil Non-Marriage Partnerships.
You can have Civil non-marriage partnerships for Homosexuals, Heterosexuals, bisexuals, Transgenders....
I don't know what your point is....
A civil partnerhip is a legally-recognised partnership between two people who have lived together, are living together, intend to live together, and would like to be considered a legitimate couple in the eyes of the law, without going through a marriage ceremony.
Regardless of gender, Race or Religion.
perfectly normal here.
your point seems to be that Singapore isn't keeping up with the social habits, customs and legally binding and recognised legislation of other countries.
Is that it? have I got that right?
You are new to this site and I for one found your points a little unclear. Perhaps we are not used to your humour ?
If you have a genuine question you would like to discuss, I am sure there are lots of people on here who would be delighted to do so, if you would just phrase your question in a way that invites debate, rather than just your own view.
Posts like your last one are not really helpful, giving the impression that you are sulking because nobody agreed with your first post, which was a bit of a ramble.
I'm not a moderator on here - I'm just a member who loves to discuss and wouldn't like to think that anyone genuinely wanting debate isn't getting it.
So come on - sit down and have a cup of tea with me and try to re-phrase it a bit eh?
Lol.
Actually, I don't even remember what I meant to say. :P
Erm.
It could be that I was riled up that some countries do not recognise civil partnerships in the purely legal sense, and that they would have to go through some sort of ceremony - religious or otherwise.
Also, I thought it was terribly unfair that except for Judaism, the religion of the male in the relationship should take precedence. Legally, I mean, and automatically. Not that I'm a feminist or anything.
But ach, I don't remember. (!)
Thanks, anyway.
Not the case in Buddhism either....
I'm so sorry you've come up with so many mistaken impressions, but I do hope we've been able in some way to help you out....
Thank you for joining us on the forum by the way!
Thanks, and I'm going to explore this site a bit. Not really sure if the forum specialises in anything.
at a rough guess.... :crazy::D
If a Muslim should either marry a Muslim or someone of the book, then what about the period of courtship? Is there another rule governing it?
In other words, throughout the course of courtship, must the Muslim side also try to convert his Non-Muslim partner?
Furthermore, the rules governing courtships from the perspective of the Muslim and Non-Muslim would be different, so how can one in this scenario resolve that conflict? (Well, the interest of my question is more on the Muslim perspective, but anything is welcome!
-RaDmaTist
Oh. I see what you mean. About Kentucky. _-_
For me personally, even when I was still a less agnostic Muslim (;)), I didn't really concern myself with religion. I believe that religion should be personal. It could be an Abrahamic tradition, it could be Islam - I don't dare to base it on any of these in case I'm wrong, so I'll just say that for me, I understand God in my own way. Because of the way I've been brought up to understand Him. Because of the way I understand Him in my mind and heart. And because of the way I see other people see Him.
Besides, it's quite a horrifying thought to me that a person courts another and tries to change such a fundamental aspect of the person - religion. If it happens accidentally, fine, but to pursue an active.. policy.. for lack of a better word, nahh.. I push the thought aside. I build walls around myself.
So, this isn't an official response, because I don't know either. It would seem very restrictive for me if even the method of courtship is spelled out.
But then, RaDmaTist™, I am a non-Muslim. I suppose. Or maybe still Muslim, but less fundamentalist and adhering. It's almost like I'm interpreting it on my own. Which I don't think should be the case, since it is after all, an organised religion.
But then, I never did like organised religion.
Argh. I should just go Buddhist and consider this a non-issue!
Also, RaDmaTist™, from what I gathered in the thread, it is the Muslim man who is allowed to marry just anyone of the Book, whichever one of the three (or four?) it is. The woman has to follow the man, which explains my initial exasperation. I do admit it makes practical sense - a stable religious environment for children to grow up in.
Islam contains a thread that can, to my mind, be called disorganised religion: the Sufism of Rumi and Omar the Carpet Maker.