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Politics From An Evolutionary Perspective

edited February 2012 in General Banter
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Politics, as well as all emotions, stem from our monkey-brains. In the evolutionary timeline, there are certain points of time that mark a significant evolutionary leap, as it coincides with a widespread activation of a new circuit of consciousness. The second circuit of consciousness coincides with, in terms of the evolution of the species, primates. I call this the "monkey-brain." This circuit represents muscular-locomotive power, and with this development comes dominance and submission. In the human-species today, the remnants of our monkey-brain can be found perhaps most blatantly in politics. This is why politics has such emphasis on territorial and ideological dominance. This is where the appeal to patriotism comes from, as well as our never-ending wars, and our legislation of hive-morality, as in the case of, for instance, the drug-war. This same circuit is responsible for all emotions. This is why politicians constantly appeal to our emotions. In the evolutionary timeline, politicians are primitive-children, and they appeal to your childlike primitive ways of thinking. I say it's about time we grow up as a species, and stop letting primitive-children run our lives.

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  • DaltheJigsawDaltheJigsaw Mountain View Veteran
    This is really interesting!
  • Thank you! :D
  • Very well. Then let's have the state remove itself from its interference in the mundane and routine. The regulation of trans fats, salts, sugars, lunches, paint chips, lemonade stands, and certification for every basic human action or interaction. Since Mankind is inherently imperfect, reduce its power over other men. Let not power be the solution to the problem of power. Or the state the solution to the excesses of the state.

    In other words. People are better off left alone to their own devices and desires, with exceptions made when those desires intrude on other's ability to enjoy liberty.
  • vinlynvinlyn Colorado...for now Veteran
    Very well. Then let's have the state remove itself from its interference in the mundane and routine. The regulation of trans fats, salts, sugars, lunches, paint chips, lemonade stands, and certification for every basic human action or interaction. Since Mankind is inherently imperfect, reduce its power over other men. Let not power be the solution to the problem of power. Or the state the solution to the excesses of the state.

    In other words. People are better off left alone to their own devices and desires, with exceptions made when those desires intrude on other's ability to enjoy liberty.
    Except that's not true. Less than 2 weeks ago I read an article about transfats, and that in recent tests there has been a 58% reduction in the amount of transfats in human blood in this country, which relates directly to heart disease.

  • Let me post something I posted on another forum I posted this thread at, in response to someone basically making the point that 'if the politicians have this brain, then we do too.'

    We all have this circuit/brain within us, yes. The problem is that this primitive-establishment is stifling the next step of our evolution, which is currently taking place, but is being made difficult by the political establishments. This is the true reason for the war on drugs, with its emphasis on marijuana and psychedelics. This evolution was sparked off on a wide scale in the 60's, with the help of marijuana and psychedelics. The future evolution of humanity is INDIVIDUAL in nature, as opposed to all previous evolution which was dependent on the collective. Weed and psychedelics activate higher circuits of consciousness, that assist in this individual-consciousness evolution. The government saw first hand what happens when people use these drugs, and begin activating these circuits of consciousness: people stop caring about blindly listening to and following the society and the government. So they quickly started an all-out war against marijuana and psychedelics, with claims of moral reasoning, but this act in truth is an ALL OUT ATTACK ON OUR EVOLUTION, in order to maintain their own power
  • Very well. Then let's have the state remove itself from its interference in the mundane and routine. The regulation of trans fats, salts, sugars, lunches, paint chips, lemonade stands, and certification for every basic human action or interaction. Since Mankind is inherently imperfect, reduce its power over other men. Let not power be the solution to the problem of power. Or the state the solution to the excesses of the state.

    In other words. People are better off left alone to their own devices and desires, with exceptions made when those desires intrude on other's ability to enjoy liberty.
    Except that's not true. Less than 2 weeks ago I read an article about transfats, and that in recent tests there has been a 58% reduction in the amount of transfats in human blood in this country, which relates directly to heart disease.

    I find that entertaining. Not that it's wrong, but just the different mindset and priority at work. My point was that whether it's "good for you" or not, maximization of liberty and freedom means having minimal interference from the state in the way we live our lives. The state could tomorrow decide to ban cigarettes and surely heart disease and cancer would drop. It could also outlaw cars, and you'd see a disappearance in auto accidents. But life would not be freer or richer for it.
  • vinlynvinlyn Colorado...for now Veteran
    Very well. Then let's have the state remove itself from its interference in the mundane and routine. The regulation of trans fats, salts, sugars, lunches, paint chips, lemonade stands, and certification for every basic human action or interaction. Since Mankind is inherently imperfect, reduce its power over other men. Let not power be the solution to the problem of power. Or the state the solution to the excesses of the state.

    In other words. People are better off left alone to their own devices and desires, with exceptions made when those desires intrude on other's ability to enjoy liberty.
    Except that's not true. Less than 2 weeks ago I read an article about transfats, and that in recent tests there has been a 58% reduction in the amount of transfats in human blood in this country, which relates directly to heart disease.

    I find that entertaining. Not that it's wrong, but just the different mindset and priority at work. My point was that whether it's "good for you" or not, maximization of liberty and freedom means having minimal interference from the state in the way we live our lives. The state could tomorrow decide to ban cigarettes and surely heart disease and cancer would drop. It could also outlaw cars, and you'd see a disappearance in auto accidents. But life would not be freer or richer for it.
    But here's the point...no one in all their freedom ever thought to ask a restaurant, "Do you use transfats?"

  • That's not the point. Freedom means being allowed to suffer the consequences, good or bad, for my own decisions and actions. Not the nanny state.
  • vinlynvinlyn Colorado...for now Veteran
    That's not the point. Freedom means being allowed to suffer the consequences, good or bad, for my own decisions and actions. Not the nanny state.
    I've grown very tired of the right-wing catch phrase "nanny state".

    Of course, you have a perfect right to go out and buy transfats and use them in your daily diet.

  • Blah, blah, blah. I think KnightofBuddha missed the original point and then proved it with everything he said. This ego battling over the right system of government and policies, yada, yada, yada IS stifling our growth as a species. I find it all entertaining though, especially knowing it is all happening exactly as it's supposed to, albeit more slowly than it has to. People will find higher states of consciousness one way or another whether through LSD or meditation or yoga or myriad other ways. It's all going in the right direction. But if I can engage my primitive brain for a moment, I favor an anarchist society when humankind grows up to be able to handle it. But even that would be a stepping stone to something else, something we haven't even envisioned yet. The next century will be exciting to watch.
  • vinlynvinlyn Colorado...for now Veteran
    Have you -- at a national level -- ever actually experienced anarchy?
  • Blah, blah, blah. I think KnightofBuddha missed the original point and then proved it with everything he said. This ego battling over the right system of government and policies, yada, yada, yada IS stifling our growth as a species. I .
    Hardly. Would you rather "grow our species" by living in a society where there is no pesky battling over the right system of government. Consensual government, inquiry, the free economy, and innovation are what made your life possible and possible for you to type on the computer you're using.

    And I do not favor anarchy. Somalia is anarchy. I favor a government of limited powers and predictable behaviors. Not Mussolini's "Everything within the state; nothing outside the state." Law and order, defense, and infrastructure should be the primary concerns.
  • @ImmersedOne said: Let me post something I posted on another forum..... Weed and psychedelics activate higher circuits of consciousness, that assist in this individual-consciousness evolution. The government saw first hand what happens when people use these drugs, and begin activating these circuits of consciousness: people stop caring about blindly listening to and following the society and the government. So they quickly started an all-out war against marijuana and psychedelics, with claims of moral reasoning, but this act in truth is an ALL OUT ATTACK ON OUR EVOLUTION, in order to maintain their own power.

    This explains the matrixy interplanetary evolution Timothy Leary stuff on your other posts. Now I get it.

    If one chooses to take drugs to AVOID apparent reality and claim drug induced higher evolutionary consciousness as a connection to ultimate reality it makes sense that they would accuse politicians of childishness - that is the frame of reference from which the epithet is cast.

    This is really interesting! Thanks for illustrating delusion so succinctly! What a great teaching!
  • vinlynvinlyn Colorado...for now Veteran

    If one chooses to take drugs to AVOID apparent reality and claim drug induced higher evolutionary consciousness as a connection to ultimate reality it makes sense that they would accuse politicians of childishness - that is the frame of reference from which the epithet is cast.

    This is really interesting! Thanks for illustrating delusion so succinctly! What a great teaching!
    Thanks, Iron Rabbit for saying it so well.

    There is so much about Buddhism that is based on logic. The whole idea that Buddhist principles should be tested and then accepted.

    But if we profess to be a follower of Buddha, we ought to take his teaching seriously. Often on this forum I see people debating over and over again some controversial aspect of Buddhism/religion (i.e., should you eat meat, what is karma, is there a God, is there rebirth/reincarnation). The discussions go on and on because the human conception of such topics is limited. But then, when it comes to a basic Buddhist teaching which is clear cut -- a basic Precept that says abstain from intoxicating drinks and drugs -- there are all sorts of excuses and justifications.

    I've never seen a hungry ghost or a deva, or various realms of heavens and hells, but I have seen quite a few druggies who died before their time, made foolish life decisions, made decisions that ruined family relationships, etc.


  • This is really interesting! Thanks for illustrating delusion so succinctly!
    lol. You are a model for right speech, and non-judgement. Buddha would be proud :thumbsup:
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