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What does 'sense pleasure' mean to you?
Jeffrey
Veteran
For me it is something that I feel really anxious if I don't have. For example for the past week I have been eating turkey pepperoni, cheese, and crackers each night.
Now that is kind of like a sense pleasure but in some sense it is just that I am hungry and that is 'the usual' snack. So it isn't wrong to eat when hungry I think, though I know it is said not to eat late at night.
Another sense pleasure is smoking a pipe. I found three features of this when analyzing. One is sort of a fantasy I have of myself as 'cutting corners' or 'breaking the mold' or something. You know you want to do it! :rarr: And that's fine but if I analyze that and see the anxiety and craving it is connected to that feeling eventually dissipates. This was the main demon in giving up drinking (for me). That binge recklessness. I beat the binge by drinking every night six beers. Every night. Every night. And it wasn't any kind of sneakiness it was just a dead serious health choice.
So then there are the other two layers I found to smoking. The visualization of the body feeling I will have. And that is accompanied also by a urge almost like a urge to jerk off. And that leads to the third level is the idea that I will be put in a better frame of mind. You know like you take a shower to feel fresh.
The third layer I don't think is a problem it is kind of like eating food so that you are not hungry. Just to feel in a better state of mind. The catch is that then you get attached to that to put you in a frame of mind. And second the relaxation is impermanent.
What do you think? Is the meaning of sense pleasure obvious or do you have some analysis you would like to add?
Now that is kind of like a sense pleasure but in some sense it is just that I am hungry and that is 'the usual' snack. So it isn't wrong to eat when hungry I think, though I know it is said not to eat late at night.
Another sense pleasure is smoking a pipe. I found three features of this when analyzing. One is sort of a fantasy I have of myself as 'cutting corners' or 'breaking the mold' or something. You know you want to do it! :rarr: And that's fine but if I analyze that and see the anxiety and craving it is connected to that feeling eventually dissipates. This was the main demon in giving up drinking (for me). That binge recklessness. I beat the binge by drinking every night six beers. Every night. Every night. And it wasn't any kind of sneakiness it was just a dead serious health choice.
So then there are the other two layers I found to smoking. The visualization of the body feeling I will have. And that is accompanied also by a urge almost like a urge to jerk off. And that leads to the third level is the idea that I will be put in a better frame of mind. You know like you take a shower to feel fresh.
The third layer I don't think is a problem it is kind of like eating food so that you are not hungry. Just to feel in a better state of mind. The catch is that then you get attached to that to put you in a frame of mind. And second the relaxation is impermanent.
What do you think? Is the meaning of sense pleasure obvious or do you have some analysis you would like to add?
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Instead of quantity, try quality. Try a beatiful fruit salad that is aestheticly pleasing. A healthy nature walk to appease your sight, hearing, smell.
Art for feeling and perceiving...as well as music.
Many different healthy outlets for a "sensing" personality like you...just got to try a few ones. I wish I could learn to be more sense able...but I'm intuitive/feeling.
Good thread.
hmm...soaking in a nice tub of hot water is so relaxing! I guess it's a sense pleasure, but I don't think of it that way.
Here's a sense pleasure: the roar of the ocean, and the spray of the sea water in the sun, as you're walking and splashing at the edge of the waves on the beach. The smell of the sea air, the cool breeze, the cry of the gulls overhead. AHHhhhh!
for instance for the tactile sense. one can focus on a sensation and penetrate it. the sensation is not static but moves around in minute details. sensing the flow of the body brings great pleasure.
how about eye sense. focusing on an object and seeing how it shifts around when concentration is firm.
at a certain point pleasure and pain are not distinguishable because both are deconstructed experientially as flow. just arising and passing.
Enjoy its absence to the full, when you don't.
Mildly stimulating pleasures such as a warm breeze, or birdsong, books, a smile from a nice girl have no downside. Anything with a downside- especially one where the downside outweighs the goodside- really just ruins life for me.
Perhaps you've heard of the expression 'youth is wasted on the young'. Well I squandered my youth feeling mighty, but because of what I used to do, don't feel quite so mighty now. Being young made me feel old!
Just give me a nice boring quiet day on a sunny hillside and perhaps someone to share it with. Content is a keyword here. Content!
the next person who tells me it's a line from a Robbie Williams song, gets it....
:rolleyes: :grumble: :rant:
Robbie who?
was amazing. lots of pleasure.
just realized that taste itself is the impermanence.
dependently originated phenomena appearing as awareness of taste. distinction in flavor and arising/passing of taste is amazing. even the unpleasant and the pleasant. all of one taste of taste (emptiness & luminousity).
just thoughts for you.
People need to not grip so tight.... let the backbone slip a bit....
Thinking is a sense pleasure. There is stimulating conversations and not so stimulating conversations.
Loreena mckennitt
moment becomes a condition for the next moment of arising, and yet all arisings are a fresh and complete reality of itself. In other words... it is not that 'Arising1' caused 'Arising2' or that 'Arising2' originated from 'Arising1' - they are different arisings and don't 'touch each other', but rather, 'Arising2' arises with 'Arising1' as a supporting condition. Arising 1 and Arising 2 are each a complete reality of itself.
For example the thought/intention 'I need to get up now' arises, followed by a bodily action of standing up. The thought 'I need to get up now' serves as a condition for the bodily action... but the thought itself is not a self or doer/controller of action - it is merely an arising that serves as a condition for the action. The volition to stand up is mental, but what actually stands up is the body. Each arising is a complete new reality arising with various supporting conditions.
But what you said is right... each moment of arising becomes a condition for the next
moment of arising."
http://awakeningtoreality.blogspot.com/2010/12/my-e-booke-journal.html
@Jeffrey I read this and thought about your question on thoughts being sense pleasure.