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Dispassion
taiyaki
Veteran
What is dispassion in Buddhism?
Is it equanimity?
Does it arise as a result in seeing reality as it is (3 marks)?
Is it dispassion about certain things?
As I recall it is dispassion which brings about the end to craving, which leads to nirvana.
I'd like to hear your opinions on dispassion (from a Buddhist point of view).
Is it equanimity?
Does it arise as a result in seeing reality as it is (3 marks)?
Is it dispassion about certain things?
As I recall it is dispassion which brings about the end to craving, which leads to nirvana.
I'd like to hear your opinions on dispassion (from a Buddhist point of view).
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Passion is just passion.
Freedom is where there is no clinging and no rejecting.
The real dispassion is seeing the empty nature of all phenomena; not identifying with anything and not identifying with emptiness either.
Just my 2 cents.
My understanding is that dispassion is basically a result of the noble 8 fold path e.g. 'right view', rather than a tool in itself as in other Dharmic paths. This is a useful explanation of how it arises: http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/an/an11/an11.001.than.html
Metta
in the scriptures, the word 'nibbida', translated as 'disenchantment' , 'revulsion', 'disgust', etc, is used in association with dispassion
with metta
Is it equanimity? - i think dispassion is not equanimity, as equanimity is a mental state like rapture and happiness - so towards equanimity, there can be passion or dispassion.
Does it arise as a result in seeing reality as it is (3 marks)? - yes
Is it dispassion about certain things? - i think it is dispassion for everything, which we can perceive through our 6 senses.
If anything above is not correct, please feel free to correct it. Thanks in advance.
If you have knowledge and vision of the impermanence, unsatisfactoriness/suffering and non-self of phenomena, that will bring dispassion.
There were cases where the Buddha magically showed people a very pretty young girl who in less than a minute transitioned into old age, died, and turned to skeleton. This alone was enough for some to arouse knowledge and vision of phenomena and lead to dispassion and awakening.
SN 15.13 PTS: S ii 187 CDB i 658
Timsa Sutta: Thirty
translated from the Pali by
Thanissaro Bhikkhu
© 2009–2012
Now on that occasion the Blessed One was dwelling in Rajagaha, in the Bamboo Grove. Then thirty monks from Pava — all wilderness dwellers, all alms-goers, all triple-robe wearers, all still with fetters — went to the Blessed One and, on arrival, having bowed down to him, sat to one side.
Then the thought occurred to the Blessed One, "These thirty monks from Pava... are all still with fetters. What if I were to teach them the Dhamma in such a way that in this very sitting their minds, through lack of clinging, would be released from fermentations?"
So he addressed the monks: "Monks."
"Yes, lord," the monks responded.
The Blessed One said, "From an inconceivable beginning comes transmigration. A beginning point is not evident, though beings hindered by ignorance and fettered by craving are transmigrating & wandering on. What do you think, monks? Which is greater, the blood you have shed from having your heads cut off while transmigrating & wandering this long, long time, or the water in the four great oceans?"
"As we understand the Dhamma taught to us by the Blessed One, this is the greater: the blood we have shed from having our heads cut off while transmigrating & wandering this long, long time, not the water in the four great oceans."
"Excellent, monks. Excellent. It is excellent that you thus understand the Dhamma taught by me.
"This is the greater: the blood you have shed from having your heads cut off while transmigrating & wandering this long, long time, not the water in the four great oceans.
"The blood you have shed when, being cows, you had your cow-heads cut off: Long has this been greater than the water in the four great oceans.
"The blood you have shed when, being water buffaloes, you had your water buffalo-heads cut off... when, being rams, you had your ram-heads cut off... when, being goats, you had your goat-heads cut off... when, being deer, you had your deer-heads cut off... when, being chickens, you had your chicken-heads cut off... when, being pigs, you had your pig-heads cut off: Long has this been greater than the water in the four great oceans.
"The blood you have shed when, arrested as thieves plundering villages, you had your heads cut off... when, arrested as highway thieves, you had your heads cut off... when, arrested as adulterers, you had your heads cut off: Long has this been greater than the water in the four great oceans.
"Why is that? From an inconceivable beginning comes transmigration. A beginning point is not evident, though beings hindered by ignorance and fettered by craving are transmigrating & wandering on. Long have you thus experienced stress, experienced pain, experienced loss, swelling the cemeteries — enough to become disenchanted with all fabrications, enough to become dispassionate, enough to be released."
That is what the Blessed One said. Gratified, the monks delighted in the Blessed One's words. And while this explanation was being given, the minds of the thirty monks from Pava — through lack of clinging — were released from fermentations.
See also: SN 15.3.
No, dispassion about everything. Even non-dual awareness! It does not mean dissociate from awareness (same goes for everything), it means nothing that is impermanent and empty are fit for clinging. To cling is to suffer. Seeing the emptiness of everything, there is no clinging, there is no dissociation, there is simply the spontaneous appearance and dissolution of everything on its own accord.
"The real dispassion is seeing the empty nature of all phenomena"
Well said. Phena Sutta:
"That's the way it goes:
it's a magic trick,
an idiot's babbling.
It's said to be
a murderer.[1]
No substance here
is found.
Thus a monk, persistence aroused,
should view the aggregates
by day & by night,
mindful,
alert;
should discard all fetters;
should make himself
his own refuge;
should live as if
his head were on fire —
in hopes of the state
with no falling away."
dis·en·chant·ed, dis·en·chant·ing, dis·en·chants
-To free from illusion or false belief; undeceive.
-no longer believing in the value of something, especially having learned of the problems with it
enchanted [ɪnˈtʃɑːntɪd]
adj
1. under a spell; bewitched; magical
2. utterly delighted or captivated; fascinated; charmed
Contrary to my statement above I have just found that dispassion can be approached as a practice:
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/sn/sn12/sn12.031.than.html
metta.