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form is emptiness, where the rubber meets the road?
There is no projector. There is only the projectioning.
And even the seeming appearance of a projector is suchness.
Even liking and disliking is suchness.
The whole point is to have right view so that one can investigate through practice. Then through practice find release because there is only dependently arisen suchness. And even that is coreless. Thus releasing of body and mind into the ceaseless activity of enlightenment.
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federicaSeeker of the clear blue sky...Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubtModerator
"Such is Life"....... :crazy: You can end up looking back up your own punctum profundis sometimes....
There is no projector. There is only the projectioning.
And even the seeming appearance of a projector is suchness.
Even liking and disliking is suchness.
The whole point is to have right view so that one can investigate through practice. Then through practice find release because there is only dependently arisen suchness. And even that is coreless. Thus releasing of body and mind into the ceaseless activity of enlightenment.
You can't project without a projector. The projector projects suchness without a projectee.
I'm listening to the heart sutra liturgy of my sangha..
Form is empty..
But in my actual life I am addicted to coffee I like massages I like to have fresh air. The question is NOT that I feel guilty having these pleasures. But in the coffee context I cannot fathom how to go from 'mmmmmmmmmm coffee' towards seeing the coffee as empty.
I do see the aspect of emptiness, no big deal. Pema Chodron talks about things that hook us, shenpa. And the coffee hooks me but then I counteract it by saying, 'no big deal, it's just coffee'. I remember my cousin and my nieces, once removed, were together eating breakfast and the nieces were fighting over cereal. I said 'it's just cereal'. And that is to say let go and have no big deal. Of course I have no clue how to handle children and my cousin sorted it out.
But could you add something that helps sort out shenpa from 'no big deal'. Pema Chodron definitely intends practice with shenpa to be helpful. So is that the teaching of the heart sutra? In my day I definitely believe coffee is very important.
I would say the key is paying attention, simply. Meditation practice is, to the best of my knowledge, the best method for developing skilz in paying attention. For whatever reason meditation practice seems to develop a kind of spaciousness where we can not be as reactive, and we may get a better idea of what we are doing (and not kid ourselves about what we're doing).
'mmmmmmmmmm coffee' Love it! <- paying attention to that.
Why do I seem to always react a certain way in a particular situation (shenpa)? <- paying attention to that.
I would say the key is paying attention, simply. Meditation practice is, to the best of my knowledge, the best method for developing skilz in paying attention. For whatever reason meditation practice seems to develop a kind of spaciousness where we can not be as reactive, and we may get a better idea of what we are doing (and not kid ourselves about what we're doing).
Agreed, except we should also not kid ourselves that we're developing skills in paying attention - we also recognise the emptiness of those words as conventional designations. It does no more good to reify 'ordinariness' than 'specialness'.
Different people get it in different terms. Dictating terms may not be helpful, if one's aim is to help.
Accepting the terms and designations of others may be more effective. There is a great story about Queen Victoria drinking from a fingerbowl at a meal to put her foreign guests at ease, after they did so in error.
I would say the key is paying attention, simply. Meditation practice is, to the best of my knowledge, the best method for developing skilz in paying attention. For whatever reason meditation practice seems to develop a kind of spaciousness where we can not be as reactive, and we may get a better idea of what we are doing (and not kid ourselves about what we're doing).
Agreed, except we should also not kid ourselves that we're developing skills in paying attention - we also recognise the emptiness of those words as conventional designations. It does no more good to reify 'ordinariness' than 'specialness'.
Different people get it in different terms. Dictating terms may not be helpful, if one's aim is to help.
Accepting the terms and designations of others may be more effective. There is a great story about Queen Victoria drinking from a fingerbowl at a meal to put her foreign guests at ease, after they did so in error.
I've actually seen someone do that while waiting tables. It would have been idiotic and patronizing to do likewise in that situation.
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And even the seeming appearance of a projector is suchness.
Even liking and disliking is suchness.
The whole point is to have right view so that one can investigate through practice. Then through practice find release because there is only dependently arisen suchness. And even that is coreless. Thus releasing of body and mind into the ceaseless activity of enlightenment.
You can end up looking back up your own punctum profundis sometimes....
C'est la vie!!!
'mmmmmmmmmm coffee' Love it! <- paying attention to that.
Why do I seem to always react a certain way in a particular situation (shenpa)? <- paying attention to that.
Pay attention and see what happens.
Different people get it in different terms. Dictating terms may not be helpful, if one's aim is to help.
Accepting the terms and designations of others may be more effective. There is a great story about Queen Victoria drinking from a fingerbowl at a meal to put her foreign guests at ease, after they did so in error.