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German Writers & the Dalai Lama

SileSile Veteran
edited November 2012 in Arts & Writings
What is going on with German writers/lecturers/bloggers and the Dalai Lama? Or would it be more accurate to say between certain fringe German writers and Buddhism? Are they really fringe, in fact, or just posing as fringe?

From the Trimondis' Shadow of the Dalai Lama to odd YouTube lectures (can't find my examples - will post - they are doozies) to frenzied anti-tantra blogs updated daily, there's just a very oddly disproportional German component, in my opinion, to the anti-Dalai Lama effort. Or to the anti-Buddhism effort, with the Dalai Lama as an easy bullseye.

I long ago discovered that the Trimondis (Mariana and Herbert Röttgen) are, at least in my version of reality, not to be taken seriously. But like Pravda in the heyday of the Soviet Union, it's not that there's no information to be gotten there - just that one has to spend a lot of time translating from Bizarre-ese to English. Perhaps that means this topic fits more into "art" than "writings."

So what on earth does the following art/writing really mean?

"There are nevertheless numerous occult rumors...that suggest [the Dalai Lama] to be the political director of the world who holds the strings from 'another dimension' in his hands. For example, there has been talk that the fall of the Berlin Wall was to be attributed to him. Among other things, the fact that at the exact point where the first break in the wall was created (a scene broadcast all around the world) there stood a graffiti reading Long Live Dalai Lama is offered as proof of this....

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In fact, six months before the German reunification the Kundun had stood praying before the “wall of shame” with a candle in his hand....All were said to have been deeply moved by the presence of His Holiness. 'Only six months later, on 22 June 1990', writes Stephen Batchelor, “his prayer was answered when Checkpoint Charlie was 'solemnly dismounted'" (Stephen Batchelor, 1994, p. 378)."

The Röttgens move through the world largely as staunch Maoist rationalists - there's no way they believe the Dalai Lama 'holds the strings from another dimension.' Either that, or they aren't really the modernists they claim to be.

This is just a tiny snapshot of a strange world of mild-to-violent, subtle-to-overt anti-Dalai Lama (or anti-Buddhist) invective stemming from German sources today. The Röttgens of course are in turn the easy bullseye of this alleged German component. I've asked myself over and over again whether there really is such a component. But it's not as if there are Polish writers behaving this way, or Russian or Swiss - certainly not at the same levels, anyway. So I think the German component really is there; but why? Is it sheer happenstance?

Does the fact the current Pope is German, and a noted anti-Buddhist, simply mean that there will naturally be somewhat louder German rumblings?

"The Church's chief opponent in the 21st century will be not Marxism, but Buddhism." (Then-Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, L'Express, Le testament du Panzerkardinal, 20.3.1997)

Though I believe largely in maintaining a positive focus, as opposed to spending too much time pushing back against negative minds, I have also seen how "fringe" writers have been able to slip disinformation into mainstream Western opinion, leaving us to find out months or years later we have casually believed something that is untrue. Many will never even realize it happened. This is a genuine danger--even if no particular issue to date concerns you, the fact that the mechanism is in place should. Perhaps a good image is not one of trying to fill bottomless pot-holes in the path, then, but at least posting signs.

I want to better understand the German component of this disinformation, with its double hammer of fact and fiction seemingly designed to chip away at the psyches of newer Buddhists and those considering the Buddhist path. I would be fascinated to hear others' observations on this issue. My last name is German, btw, so I'm not trying to pick on Germans in general ;)












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Comments

  • The pope is anti Buddhist? That's news :lol:
  • Sile said:

    What is going on with German writers/lecturers/bloggers and the Dalai Lama? Or would it be more accurate to say between certain fringe German writers and Buddhism? Are they really fringe, in fact, or just posing as fringe?

    From the Trimondis' Shadow of the Dalai Lama to odd YouTube lectures (can't find my examples - will post - they are doozies) to frenzied anti-tantra blogs updated daily, there's just a very oddly disproportional German component, in my opinion, to the anti-Dalai Lama effort. Or to the anti-Buddhism effort, with the Dalai Lama as an easy bullseye.

    I long ago discovered that the Trimondis (Mariana and Herbert Röttgen) are, at least in my version of reality, not to be taken seriously. But like Pravda in the heyday of the Soviet Union, it's not that there's no information to be gotten there - just that one has to spend a lot of time translating from Bizarre-ese to English. Perhaps that means this topic fits more into "art" than "writings."

    So what on earth does the following art/writing really mean?

    "There are nevertheless numerous occult rumors...that suggest [the Dalai Lama] to be the political director of the world who holds the strings from 'another dimension' in his hands. For example, there has been talk that the fall of the Berlin Wall was to be attributed to him. Among other things, the fact that at the exact point where the first break in the wall was created (a scene broadcast all around the world) there stood a graffiti reading Long Live Dalai Lama is offered as proof of this....

    image

    In fact, six months before the German reunification the Kundun had stood praying before the “wall of shame” with a candle in his hand....All were said to have been deeply moved by the presence of His Holiness. 'Only six months later, on 22 June 1990', writes Stephen Batchelor, “his prayer was answered when Checkpoint Charlie was 'solemnly dismounted'" (Stephen Batchelor, 1994, p. 378)."

    The Röttgens move through the world largely as staunch Maoist rationalists - there's no way they believe the Dalai Lama 'holds the strings from another dimension.' Either that, or they aren't really the modernists they claim to be.

    This is just a tiny snapshot of a strange world of mild-to-violent, subtle-to-overt anti-Dalai Lama (or anti-Buddhist) invective stemming from German sources today. The Röttgens of course are in turn the easy bullseye of this alleged German component. I've asked myself over and over again whether there really is such a component. But it's not as if there are Polish writers behaving this way, or Russian or Swiss - certainly not at the same levels, anyway. So I think the German component really is there; but why? Is it sheer happenstance?

    Does the fact the current Pope is German, and a noted anti-Buddhist, simply mean that there will naturally be somewhat louder German rumblings?

    "The Church's chief opponent in the 21st century will be not Marxism, but Buddhism." (Then-Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, L'Express, Le testament du Panzerkardinal, 20.3.1997)

    Though I believe largely in maintaining a positive focus, as opposed to spending too much time pushing back against negative minds, I have also seen how "fringe" writers have been able to slip disinformation into mainstream Western opinion, leaving us to find out months or years later we have casually believed something that is untrue. Many will never even realize it happened. This is a genuine danger--even if no particular issue to date concerns you, the fact that the mechanism is in place should. Perhaps a good image is not one of trying to fill bottomless pot-holes in the path, then, but at least posting signs.

    I want to better understand the German component of this disinformation, with its double hammer of fact and fiction seemingly designed to chip away at the psyches of newer Buddhists and those considering the Buddhist path. I would be fascinated to hear others' observations on this issue. My last name is German, btw, so I'm not trying to pick on Germans in general ;)

    Rebecca it's in the bold. I don't think we are saying he is a 'bigot' just that he considers Buddhism a negative to the RCC. Or at least that quotation doesn't establish him as a bigot.

  • Wow. I just didn't know he felt that way.
  • The Rottgens aren't Maoists. Mrs. R never was, Mr. was, but abandoned the Left around the end of the 60's (an autobiographical link was posted on your last thread about them). They got into spirituality and Buddhism.

    All I know is that new-Age Buddhist "lama" Ole Nydahl has wreaked a lot of havoc with women followers in Germany and Eastern Europe. One is pursuing a lawsuit against him, others women have written books exposing him. Whether there have been problems in other TB sects in Germany, I don't know. But the whole issue of corruption and/or abuse in Buddhism, including Zen, is being discussed more openly now. I think this may be the Western contribution to Buddhism--introducing more accountability and transparency.
  • RebeccaS said:

    The pope is anti Buddhist? That's news :lol:

    It's certainly not surprising the Pope has feelings towards other religions. However, if we are to understand that in this Pope's opinion, Buddhism has replaced Marxism as the Church's primary foe, we are then to understand that the Vatican has declared war against Buddhism. For this is how the Vatican treated Marxism: as an enemy to be vanquished from the face of the earth.

  • cazcaz Veteran United Kingdom Veteran
    Sile said:

    RebeccaS said:

    The pope is anti Buddhist? That's news :lol:

    It's certainly not surprising the Pope has feelings towards other religions. However, if we are to understand that in this Pope's opinion, Buddhism has replaced Marxism as the Church's primary foe, we are then to understand that the Vatican has declared war against Buddhism. For this is how the Vatican treated Marxism: as an enemy to be vanquished from the face of the earth.

    Blind faith vs Enquiry, Mind training, and faith arising from experience.

    The Vatican will be onto a loser if the Pope plays that game.
  • SileSile Veteran
    edited November 2012
    caz said:



    Blind faith vs Enquiry, Mind training, and faith arising from experience.

    The Vatican will be onto a loser if the Pope plays that game.

    Vatican history suggests a track record of triumph as often as defeat. I think a good initial step for researchers into this matter is to study very carefully its vast, protracted campaign against Marxism, and look for evidence that these tactics are now being applied, as it is expected they should be, against Buddhism.

    Success could simply be defined as scaring away new and potential new Buddhists by subtly yet relentlessly working into conversations the idea that "Buddhism is harmful/foreign/distasteful/hopeless" and so on. Under an additional layer of sheep's wool, that message manifests as "Only certain [the most popular] forms of Buddhism are harmful/etc."

    I find historian Thomas Babington Macaulay's observation compelling; author Eric Fratini cites him thus:

    "The popes knew how to place the Church at the center of events, just as they knew how to mitigate its role. He stressed the pontiffs' ability to co-opt new social movements that kept arising over the course of centuries, or to adapt the Church to them."

    Ratzinger is, to put it mildly, less subtle than his predecessor; I would expect possibly to not to have to dig as deeply into this matter as was necessary when uncovering the specific Vatican disinformation programs directed at Marxists.

    Recently leaked Vatican material (Vatileaks) is reported to include documents on esoterism, freemasonry, the P2 Masonic Lodge, and Buddhism; it will be interesting to see them in detail if such a thing is possible.
  • cazcaz Veteran United Kingdom Veteran
    Sile said:

    caz said:



    Blind faith vs Enquiry, Mind training, and faith arising from experience.

    The Vatican will be onto a loser if the Pope plays that game.

    Vatican history suggests a track record of triumph as often as defeat. I think a good initial step for researchers into this matter is to study very carefully its vast, protracted campaign against Marxism, and look for evidence that these tactics are now being applied, as it is expected they should be, against Buddhism.

    Success could simply be defined as scaring away new and potential new Buddhists by subtly yet relentlessly working into conversations the idea that "Buddhism is harmful/foreign/distasteful/hopeless" and so on. Under an additional layer of sheep's wool, that message manifests as "Only certain [the most popular] forms of Buddhism are harmful/etc."

    I find historian Thomas Babington Macaulay's observation compelling; author Eric Fratini cites him thus:

    "The popes knew how to place the Church at the center of events, just as they knew how to mitigate its role. He stressed the pontiffs' ability to co-opt new social movements that kept arising over the course of centuries, or to adapt the Church to them."

    Ratzinger is, to put it mildly, less subtle than his predecessor; I would expect possibly to not to have to dig as deeply into this matter as was necessary when uncovering the specific Vatican disinformation programs directed at Marxists.

    Recently leaked Vatican material (Vatileaks) is reported to include documents on esoterism, freemasonry, the P2 Masonic Lodge, and Buddhism; it will be interesting to see them in detail if such a thing is possible.
    Indeed. Although as to how much Disinformation the Vatican can output will most likely be taken with salt after all the sexual misconduct that they engage in.
  • SileSile Veteran
    edited November 2012
    I'm browsing Nuzzi's book now - Sua Santita: The Secret Papers of Benedict XVI. There's a relatively long section on China-Vatican relations, under the heading, "China Has Declared War [on Catholicism]."

    I notice a tendency on the Pope's end to use the imagery of war when referring to anything he perceives as a threat to the Church.

    These documents were not meant to be public - at the same time as the Pope is publicly highlighting friendship and cooperation with certain nations, religions, etc., it seems his office is actively working against those very nations and religions, to the extent even that he feels he is engaged in war with them. Doing so of course in the interests of protecting his own, but doing it nonetheless.

    This in fact is a primary theme of Eric Fratini's book cited above - the Vatican's historically powerful strategy of offering olive branches during the day while flashing daggers in the dark. If Buddhism is now the central foe of the Church, it is all but certain this same timeworn strategy is at work.
  • It would seem Ratzinger has maintained, in more recent times, his opinion of Buddhism as a foe - threatening now not only the Church, but all of European society.

    I find chilling his enthusiasm for the concept of non-European cultures receiving a "death blow." From an address in 2004:

    "In addition, the major religious traditions of Asia, above all its mystical component expressed in Buddhism, are emerging as spiritual powers against a Europe in the process of denying its religious and moral foundations. The optimism regarding the victory of the European factor which Arnold Toynbee was still able to sustain at the beginning of the 1960s now seems strangely outdated: 'Out of 28 cultures we have been able to identify ... 18 have died and 9 of the remaining 10 — actually all of them except ours — reveal that they have already suffered a death blow.'"

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