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A Monk Walks Into A Graphic Design Printers Shop

No it is not the start of a joke, I was sat at work with nothing to do watching the movie 'Training Day' when I saw a monk walking up the stairs. I was a little surprised as you can imagine, he wanted a huge banner designed for the death of a woman or something so sat down next to a girl I work with to plan out the design. Yes I know things are changing in the world as they inevitably do but three things right here he broke.

1. In Thailand Monks cannot sit next to women
2. He had money
3. He was eating something at one point past midday.

And this isn't really a rule but he had a mobile phone too hehe. I am not saying he is bad or whatever, just a story to share. He was quite old so I guess he is probably a monk who is in permanent robes and not someone who is just doing committing to a few weeks. Here is the picture I took.

Comments

  • BhikkhuJayasaraBhikkhuJayasara Bhikkhu Veteran
    I'm not sure there is a rule that he can't sit next to a woman.. I definitely know that they can't/shouldn't touch or be alone with a woman, which he wasn't because you were there.

    the money thing and eating past mid day are pretty iffy as well.

    My response is this. When I was speaking with one of my teachers Bhante G about ordaining with him at Bhavana Society, the issue of me almost being at the age limit (36) came up and then I asked if there was an age limit in Sri Lanaka and ordaining there. He said " you don't want to ordain in Sri Lanka, they get in robes and sit around all day, they don't practice dhamma".

    I think this is probably something that is more and more common in "buddhist cultures". There is a quote from Ajahn Lee about the Sangha at the end of "Blistered feet, blissful mind" where he compares the Sangha in the east to an old tree and the west to a young tree.. fragile but full of great potential. I hope to be one of those Western monks soon enough.
  • By the way, how's that job going?
  • GuiGui Veteran
    Do you worry?
  • vinlynvinlyn Colorado...for now Veteran
    Cinorjer said:

    So he was helping someone with a funeral, or otherwise helping people deal with a death? In what way was this old monk not embracing the Dharma?

    I have a statue of Buddha in meditation next to my front door. It never handles money, eats after noon, or talks to women. There are enough statues of Buddha in the world. Monks should get out there and help people. If an old monks needs a snack at 2pm to keep going, then give him a snack.

    Bravo!

    sndymorn
  • A monk walks in to a graphic design print shop.. And is judged by a random individual. If he truly has no attachment to the things listed, then they do not matter, just tools used to accomplish his goals. As Jayantha said, nothing inherently carries a tag of good or bad, it is our attachment to them, and how we use them, that dictates that.
    RainbowTara
  • federicafederica Seeker of the clear blue sky... Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator

    No it is not the start of a joke,

    Damn. Well it darned well ought to be.
    There are very few, new original and funny 'Buddhist' jokes currently.
    We could do with a new injection of fresh humour.

    Now go away and design some. ;)

  • JosephWJosephW Veteran
    edited December 2012
    Well in regards to the first point that you make, I have never heard of that but it doesn't even look like the monk is within arms length of the Thai woman, is that still a problem?
  • vinlynvinlyn Colorado...for now Veteran
    I thought they could not sit next to a woman with the closeness of touching.
  • Hey, Tom, how about an update how your business is doing? Sounds like it's doing pretty well. I'd love to see some of your banner designs.

    :thumbsup: Keep up the good work!
  • I did mention at the start that I was not saying he was a bad person, I was just making an observation and telling a story that was a little eventful, a monk walking into the work place :P

    Here in Thailand, or at least the area in which I live monks cannot or should not sit next to females, I was on a bus type thing called a songtao and I moved to let a monk sit down once and he looked so surprised and kind of worried as I had left him a place to sit next to a woman, my girlfriend. She quickly explained why he couldn't sit down.

    Anyway I may had been a little judgmental I guess, and I really did love your post Cinorjer, quite a clever post to say the least.

    My work, I have no time to do anything else at the moment. I wake up and go to work at that place from 9-5 six days a week, then I come home and have a freelance job which is a full company brand from scratch, logo design, business card, stationary, app icons! I do that until i sleep most days, hope to finish it before 2013 lol. I am physically drained.

    The designs at this place are so simple and IMO not too attractive, they are signs to grab peoples attention and my boss simply uses a bright background, puts the text down, adds a stroke to it and then prints. Sometimes there are photos or images, and on rare occasions we have more detailed designs. I will put up some which are a little more interesting that I have done, we do maybe 5-10 designs a day depending on the workload. My boss has gone into hospital from today until the 28th, something about his thyroid, so it is me and the 2 women here who have to run the show.
  • A few more I had to screenshot, the yellow/orange design with the woman is the design for the monk. The last one is something I did when I had some free time at work and felt bored. I teach a Thai boy about graphic design on Saturdays for an hour or 2, so I may use the last one as part of a lesson workshop.
  • Very. cool. !
    The tutoring is cool, too!
    So, you found employment with someone, as a farang? A regular 9-5? That's amazing!
  • JasonJason God Emperor Arrakis Moderator
    edited December 2012
    JosephW said:

    Well in regards to the first point that you make, I have never heard of that but it doesn't even look like the monk is within arms length of the Thai woman, is that still a problem?

    As far as I'm aware, there's nothing in the Vinaya about monks being prohibited from sitting next to a woman. There's a rule prohibiting monks from touching a woman out of lust, a rule against sitting alone with a woman in a room or secluded area, and a minor rule that's not canonical but widely observed anyway prohibiting monks from touching a woman for reasons other than lust. My educated guess is that the 'no sitting next to a woman' thing is derived from a conservative interpretation of these rules in order to prevent even the appearance of improper conduct, but not a rule in and of itself.
  • I think as with most religions, things have changed slightly from place to place and here in Thailand for some monks I guess that is just the way it is...

    @Dakini yea I was working for a place known as the artist village which is a beautiful place and one day a printer they use came by and asked what I did, so I went on to say I am a graphic designer and now I have a full time job. No work permit though! :eek2:
  • The employer can't arrange a work permit? How many Thais are graphic design experts? Couldn't he swing something, if he were motivated? Or is it more complicated than that?

    Sounds great, though. Nothing like a steady paycheck!
  • vinlynvinlyn Colorado...for now Veteran
    Not sure exactly what Tom's situation is, but Thailand is pretty strict about not allowing work permits for jobs which can be performed by Thais.
  • I read on a expat forum that you wind up in jail for busking or even karaoke. Could be an exaggeration.
  • Yea Thailand is a very very difficult place to find work as a foreigner, unless you intend to teach English or scuba diving. If my employer wants me to have a permit he will have to pay a certain amount a year or month, I forget now, but it is not in his best interest. I would also have to pay to get a new visa as well and it is so much hassle. This is why most employers would just hire a Thai national as it is easier and cheaper, and it is also why I am very lucky to have a full time job in graphic design. Anyway, I have been here long enough now to understand how the system works, for most crimes and things of this nature, most police or government people have a price. I have quite a few handy connections as well, so if I did get busted for working I doubt I would get booted out of the country.
  • federica said:

    No it is not the start of a joke,

    Damn. Well it darned well ought to be.
    There are very few, new original and funny 'Buddhist' jokes currently.
    We could do with a new injection of fresh humour.

    Now go away and design some. ;)

    A monk walks into a graphic design printers shop ..............






    It was empty.
  • DakiniDakini Veteran
    edited December 2012
    vinlyn said:

    Not sure exactly what Tom's situation is, but Thailand is pretty strict about not allowing work permits for jobs which can be performed by Thais.

    This was my point. It seems there are few Thais who can perform his job, so on that basis, he could qualify for a work permit, if his employer is willing to wade through the red tape required. I guess there are costs involved, too costly for the employer.

  • vinlynvinlyn Colorado...for now Veteran
    Technically, graphic design is not one of the careers where it is considered there is a need to hire foreigners. Whether Thai graphic designers are as talented, well that's another matter all together.
  • CittaCitta Veteran
    edited December 2012
    federica said:

    No it is not the start of a joke,

    Damn. Well it darned well ought to be.
    There are very few, new original and funny 'Buddhist' jokes currently.
    We could do with a new injection of fresh humour.

    Now go away and design some. ;)

    A monk walks into a Graphic Design Printers Shop and says

    " Our abbotts mother is giving him a hard time, can you design something as a warning ? "
    The proprietor thinks for moment... " Banner ? "

    " we will if we have to " replies the monk. "
    ThailandTom
  • DakiniDakini Veteran
    edited December 2012
    Pretty good, Citta ^^. You have a calling in comedy.

    Tom: do you have a web presence? Maybe you haven't had time to set up a website. But you could get international clientele that way. Graphic design seems like a perfect career for working by internet.
  • @Dakini I freelance on a couple of freelance websites but I do not have my website as of yet. I was advised by someone to start small if anywhere and work my way up. I plan to get my own website sometime next year, I want it to be professional and to have a decent URL, so I will need to put time and money into it. Hopefully the end goal will be me having my own business when I have enough money, experience in the work place and a long client list.
  • @ThailandTom Cool!! :)
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