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Movie: V Is For Vendetta

edited September 2006 in General Banter
Anyone see this? I just saw it last night and loved it. It had it's moments but the dialogue and story was pretty darned good compared to alot of stuff coming out nowadays. It was done by the Wachowski brothers that did the Matrix Trilogy, so if you liked those movies you'll probably love V.

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  • edited August 2006
    I saw V and thought it just ok, seen better.......but my son loved it........it's in his top 5 favorite list. Boo liked it I think.
  • BrigidBrigid Veteran
    edited August 2006
    Yes, I loved it! I thought it was really beautiful.
  • buddhafootbuddhafoot Veteran
    edited August 2006
    I enjoyed it. I didn't think it was earth-shattering, but I did really enjoy it.

    I found it odd throughout the movie - for some reason, you always think that V is happy cuz he's got that damn grin on his face all the time. Even though, behind the mask, you can hear the subleties and inflection in his voice that must demand a hundred different countenances.

    -bf
  • buddhafootbuddhafoot Veteran
    edited August 2006
    Well, maybe not *happy* - but always feeling like the Cheshire Cat.

    -bf
  • federicafederica Seeker of the clear blue sky... Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator
    edited August 2006
    It doesn't open here in the UK until the 5th of November, so feedback will be somewhat delayed.....:grin:
  • buddhafootbuddhafoot Veteran
    edited August 2006
    Interesting.

    I think it already opened in the theater by Mt. Erebus - so I'm curious as to why it hasn't reached the UK yet.

    -bf
  • federicafederica Seeker of the clear blue sky... Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator
    edited August 2006
    Because inspite of being the source of Modern civilisation, in some areas we're still a bunch of retards.....:lol: :thumbsup:
  • BrigidBrigid Veteran
    edited August 2006
    buddhafoot wrote:
    I enjoyed it. I didn't think it was earth-shattering, but I did really enjoy it.

    I found it odd throughout the movie - for some reason, you always think that V is happy cuz he's got that damn grin on his face all the time. Even though, behind the mask, you can hear the subleties and inflection in his voice that must demand a hundred different countenances.

    -bf

    I totally agree, BF. Hugo Weaving, one of my favourite actors, did such a great job conveying the character's emotional depth. It must have been hellishly hard to do behind a mask, but he managed to do it. I love him. I bet Simon would like this movie.
  • PalzangPalzang Veteran
    edited August 2006
    I liked the movie a lot, and it was also recommended by my teacher. She doesn't recommend movies a lot, so when a good one comes along and she recommends it for her students, I pay attention. Of course, I've usually seen the movie by the time she recommends it...

    Palzang
  • edited September 2006
    It was originally a comic book, written by perhaps the greatest writer ever to have worked in the medium, (and I am not the only one who's said so,) Alan Moore. A lot of the themes in "V" are recurring themes through much of his work,the nature of power, hopelessness, government, love, anarchism-he's basically the William Shakespeare of "comic books." This is not hyperbole.

    V for Vendetta is great, but vastly inferior to Watchmen, for those that are interested. They're making a movie of it, and it'll probably be a turd, like the way Moore's League of Extraordinary Gentlemen and From Hell movies turned out, both of them based on wonderful graphic novels.
  • PalzangPalzang Veteran
    edited September 2006
    You're probably right, but I thought they did an excellent job of transferring V from book to movie (though I have to confess I didn't read the graphic novel). So maybe there's hope...

    Palzang
  • PalzangPalzang Veteran
    edited September 2006
    Oh, speaking of graphic novels, have you ever read the Buddha manga series by Osamu Tezuka? They've been recently translated into English. Loved all 8 volumes!!!!

    Palzang
  • BrigidBrigid Veteran
    edited September 2006
    Hey, Pistoff,

    I haven't read the graphic novels yet but as soon as I'm able I'm going to find every single one he ever wrote because I really, really loved what he was saying and how he said it. I think the graphic novel is an extremely underrated art form. I find them to be...massive, for a lack of a better word. They affect me almost in the same way that opera does. They're huge and leave an indelible mark on my mind and I've only read a few so far. I can't wait to get more.

    In "V" I found the way he dealt with the theme of sacrifice to be especially interesting and deeply moving. I find myself thinking about it very often. On your recommendation, the first novel of his that I'm going to find is "Watchmen". Thanks for the tip.
  • PalzangPalzang Veteran
    edited September 2006
    I'm afraid I've got to go with bf on opera, Brigid. Even when I know the story and what's going on I find it crashingly boring and inane. The weird part is I absolutely love classical music, have since I was a wee one, but opera is something I can't for the life of me like at all. Just karma, I guess!

    Palzang
  • edited September 2006
    It just gave me chills to think I could've influenced another human being to read what I consider to be one of the greatest things ever written.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watchmen


    I was lucky enough to be just old enough to read and understand the things I read when comic books were really becoming an art form apart from mere kid-stuff. Batman:The Dark Knight Returns, Sandman, Watchmen, all of them came out when I was growing up. Watcmen was one I kept returning to read every few years, and everytime I did, I'd uncover another wonderful or horrifying layer of the onion, so to speak. Bleh, I can't put into words what this one means to me, everyone read it!
  • BrigidBrigid Veteran
    edited September 2006
    Palzang,
    I can understand that. Before I really got into it I remember not enjoying opera very much. I thought there was too much screaming. lol! It's all so totally subjective anyway, isn't it?

    Pistoff,
    I loved "Sandman"!! It was so good!
    I just placed my order with Amazon for the paperback of "Watchmen" and they're so fast at delivering that I'll post my thoughts on it soon. I would have loved to have gotten the hardcover anniversary edition but it's waaaaaayyy out of my budget.
    Can't wait!! Thanks again, Pistoff. You should read the reviews of it on Amazon.ca. lol! People say it's the ultimate, creme de la creme of graphic novels, just like you did. I knew I had to have it when the first reviewer was from Montreal, the city where I was born and raised. Destiny! lol!
  • SimonthepilgrimSimonthepilgrim Veteran
    edited September 2006
    As with jazz, graphic work is considered a genuine artform, a valid and adult genre, by the French. From way back, adult topics (and I don't mean adolscent wank-mags) have been addressed in bandes dessinées: politics, religion, urbanisation, eco matters, they are all to be found.

    When I was living in Paris in the '70s and '80s, a trip to Fnac would always result in hours spent reading "comic strip" without any of the furtive hiding in which one had to indulge in London.
  • buddhafootbuddhafoot Veteran
    edited September 2006
    Palzang wrote:
    I'm afraid I've got to go with bf on opera, Brigid. Even when I know the story and what's going on I find it crashingly boring and inane. The weird part is I absolutely love classical music, have since I was a wee one, but opera is something I can't for the life of me like at all. Just karma, I guess!

    Palzang

    Hear Hear!

    I was just talking to a friend of mine about childrens cartoons in the morning. We were watching "kids show" on the internet and was commenting about how incredibly stupid it was. I said, "what happened to the good old days of coyotes falling off of cliffs and rabbits pulling funny stunts?" And!, all the while this was happening, children were learning a love of classical music!

    I love classical music. I love much of the work done by Strauss (although I can't figure out why his music isn't technically termed as "classical") - I just can't grasp the opera stuff though.

    -bf
  • edited September 2006
    I just saw the movie this weekend. While I found it interesting, I wondered 'Will the British ever let go/get past WWII?' At several points in the movie I found the violence disturbing, and I had a nightmare (the scene where her boss gets smashed in the face).
  • SimonthepilgrimSimonthepilgrim Veteran
    edited September 2006
    harlan wrote:
    I just saw the movie this weekend. While I found it interesting, I wondered 'Will the British ever let go/get past WWII?' At several points in the movie I found the violence disturbing, and I had a nightmare (the scene where her boss gets smashed in the face).

    Strange synchronicity. Last night a 'local' who has moved to Mayenne was back for a few days. She was saying that stories and memories of the Occupation remain common currency. I think it will take another couple of decades before the memories of the horrors of foreign occupation, misery and destruction fade from the collective psyche. It may, even, never fade. The examples of Ireland, of the Native Americans, and many others suggest that permanent scars remain. After all, the French still use the term rosbifs for the English, a term coined during the Hundred Years War.
  • edited September 2006
    That's true. But when does it become ludicrous? Being of Scottish descent, some people still resent Bruce, who lopped off heads over 600 years ago and the 'Harrying of Buchan'.
  • SimonthepilgrimSimonthepilgrim Veteran
    edited September 2006
    harlan wrote:
    That's true. But when does it become ludicrous? Being of Scottish descent, some people still resent Bruce, who lopped off heads over 600 years ago and the 'Harrying of Buchan'.


    Big question! When is it time to forget the Alamo?
  • edited September 2006
    The history of the 'Republic of Texas' ;) weighs little on the hearts of Yankees.

    Letting go...
  • edited September 2006
    Well, you can still feel the scars of the Civil War here, but most sentient humans know it's pretty retraded to be resentful towards Yankees/Southerners. A lot of people have nothing better to do than hate people based on things that happened many moons ago. Me, I can't stand Huguenots. (Just kidding.)
  • edited September 2006
    I don't know...I'm rethinking this actually...as karma. Personally, my mother's side of my family has been in this country for centuries. Some since the 1500's, and have fought in every war. At one point...North married South and even though residing in New England for generations...we still pass on the family name of 'Virginia Lee'. My youngest sister recently married an Oglala Souix. I had to tell her that I am pretty sure one of our ancestors was part of the Army at Custer's Last Stand...as well as at Wounded Knee...and that she needed to tell him this.

    The circle turns...
  • SimonthepilgrimSimonthepilgrim Veteran
    edited September 2006
    Perhaps it is time to stop remembering the Alamo but start teaching the Trail of Tears!
  • SimonthepilgrimSimonthepilgrim Veteran
    edited September 2006
    I would add, too, that we have to be careful what memories we let go of. As Lord Russell of Liverpool said, during the Japanese Warcrimes Trials, "We must forgive but should never forget."

    I believe that we carry responsibility to avoid the dreadful actions of our ancestors and predecessors. 'Forgetting' or ignoring the crimes committed to create our comfortable, rich, easy culture is another way in which we wash our hands. It is to discount the victims and to refuse them any sort of closure.

    What is so upsetting is the choice of memories that are held onto: OK to remember the Nazi Holocaust but let's forget Armenia, and so on.
  • BrigidBrigid Veteran
    edited September 2006
    Yeah, and in the meantime Africa goes through hell...

    It's a little bit like how we choose our meat. In the West it's okay to eat cow but not dog. Reminds me of the joke about how smart dolphins really are. They're so smart they've got humans believing it's okay to eat tuna but not dolphin.
  • edited September 2006
    To me it's more a matter of remembering, but not being so emotionally involved. I am quite aware of the way Native Americans and Blacks were treated in the past and this country. Do I feel guilty and ashamed every time I meet one? No, I am not responsible for what my ancestors did, (and I don't believe in reincarnation, so there. :zombie: )

    I read a lot of history, I certainly don't hate Germans for the Nazis, Swedes for the Vikings, or Britons for the Revolutionary war. Learning from and understanding the past is far superior than some vague sense of guilt for things that happened long ago that I was not involved in.
  • PalzangPalzang Veteran
    edited September 2006
    To me it's more a matter of remembering, but not being so emotionally involved. I am quite aware of the way Native Americans and Blacks were treated in the past and this country. Do I feel guilty and ashamed every time I meet one? No, I am not responsible for what my ancestors did, (and I don't believe in reincarnation, so there. :zombie: )

    I read a lot of history, I certainly don't hate Germans for the Nazis, Swedes for the Vikings, or Britons for the Revolutionary war. Learning from and understanding the past is far superior than some vague sense of guilt for things that happened long ago that I was not involved in.


    The Vikings?! They were marvelous explorers and brought civilization to godless realms like Britain. But you should know that - don't you remember when we sacked Londinium together in a former life as Viking warriors? :rolleyesc

    Palzang
  • edited September 2006
    Palzang wrote:


    The Vikings?! They were marvelous explorers and brought civilization to godless realms like Britain. But you should know that - don't you remember when we sacked Londinium together in a former life as Viking warriors? :rolleyesc

    Palzang
    I remember being one of the Minnesota Vikings in a past life. :werr:
  • PalzangPalzang Veteran
    edited September 2006
    Oh yeah, that was it. Got my centuries mixed up. I was the football.

    Palzang
  • edited September 2006
    I finally rented it on DVD. It was a fairly good translation of the graphic novel, and I was impressed the Wachowski Bros. toned down their trademark "style" to do it. Pretty good.
  • edited September 2006
    For those in the UK, although I think it was said earlier in this thread that it was not opening until November, the DVD is already on sale, which I don't really understand. I came across it in Tescos at the weekend, and bought it, though I've only had time to watch the first 20 minutes. If anyone wants the DVD afterwards, let me know.

    Martin.
  • BrigidBrigid Veteran
    edited September 2006
    That's baffling. I don't understand what they're doing. How can they release a film in the UK after it's already come out on DVD? And why did it take a year to be released in the UK anyway? That's so totally weird.
  • SimonthepilgrimSimonthepilgrim Veteran
    edited September 2006
    To me it's more a matter of remembering, but not being so emotionally involved. I am quite aware of the way Native Americans and Blacks were treated in the past and this country. Do I feel guilty and ashamed every time I meet one? No, I am not responsible for what my ancestors did, (and I don't believe in reincarnation, so there. :zombie: )

    I read a lot of history, I certainly don't hate Germans for the Nazis, Swedes for the Vikings, or Britons for the Revolutionary war. Learning from and understanding the past is far superior than some vague sense of guilt for things that happened long ago that I was not involved in.


    If the treatment of the Native Americans and non-whites were in the past, this might be OK but.................... As we live on the proceeds of the theft of lives and resources, what is our responsibility to our dispossessed cousins?
  • federicafederica Seeker of the clear blue sky... Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator
    edited September 2006
    Well, here's an update....
    Release in the UK, due to a clerical error in the press release, was actually on July 31st.... this is why Martin of Norwich was able to buy a copy earlier than "planned".

    I work for a company that tracks this very information - amongst other things.

    so you heard it from the horse's mouth.....!
  • BrigidBrigid Veteran
    edited September 2006
    How is the job going, Fede?
  • federicafederica Seeker of the clear blue sky... Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator
    edited September 2006
    Boo, it's absolutely wonderful.
    I'll tell you more in the "How was your day?" thread..... ;)
  • BrigidBrigid Veteran
    edited September 2006
    Oohh! I just read about the job and it sounds wonderful, Fede! You're such a smart woman. I have no doubt that your brilliance will be appreciated.

    My "Watchmen" came today! I'm so excited!
  • edited September 2006
    Brigid wrote:

    My "Watchmen" came today! I'm so excited!
    I'm actually only a little less excited, (I'd love to hear your critique. ) :) <-There's only one proper smiley for it.....
  • BrigidBrigid Veteran
    edited September 2006
    LOL! But where's the blood?

    I'm on page 6 and I'm hooked like a poor little fish. I already love it but I'll keep you posted...

    P.S. Thanks for recommending this. Really.
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