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meaning of phrase in Abhisanda Sutta AN 8.39

"Now, there are these five gifts, five great gifts — original, long-standing, traditional, ancient, unadulterated, unadulterated from the beginning — that are not open to suspicion, will never be open to suspicion, and are unfaulted by knowledgeable contemplatives & brahmans. Which five?"
http://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/an/an08/an08.039.than.html

I"m trying to figure out the intention of the last phrase. Unfaulted doesn"t seem to be a word, and "not faulted" plugged in there doesn't make much sense either. Anyone shed some light? thanks.

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  • oceancaldera207oceancaldera207 Veteran
    edited May 2014

    I found another translation in which "are unfaulted by" is "cannot be repudiated by" http://suttacentral.net/en/an8.39 ... so I'm assuming a less cryptic but accurate alternative would be something like:
    "A wise thinker or monk will not/can not deny the value and purity of (the five gifts)."
    or even " no one who is knowledgeable or wise can deny the value.."

    any other viewpoints on this?

  • federicafederica Seeker of the clear blue sky... Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator

    That would be about right.

    oceancaldera207
  • JasonJason God Emperor Arrakis Moderator

    Second what Fede said.

    oceancaldera207
  • federicafederica Seeker of the clear blue sky... Its better to remain silent and be thought a fool, than to speak out and remove all doubt Moderator

    @Jason said:
    Second what Fede said.

    >

    And that made my day.

  • Thanks for the input. I was initially frustrated by this, as it seemed to be a purposeful cryptification of english structure, but in trying to rephrase it I did run in to difficulty. Im all for inventing new words ( like cryptification), as long as they are somewhat self explanatory or have enough context to figure em out...but "unfaulted" made me scratch my head a bit. ;)

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