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A Note on Climate Change [Again]

edited September 2009 in Buddhism Today
By now, probably everyone has heard the story about how a frog will die in boiling water. The story goes like this: if you place a frog in a pot of cool water and then slowly, slowly increase the temperature to the boiling point, the frog will adjust to the rising temperature and will not jump out of the water to save itself. The frog dies.

Now, I really don't know if this story is true or not. It could be an urban legend. But is has a certain "truthiness" to it. It sounds like it should be true, even though it might not be.

At any rate, as I look out my window, I can still see the effects of Typhoon Morakot, which recently made landfall in Fujian Province, hundreds of miles away. That was one big, big typhoon!! We've been under the typhoon's influence for more than three days now. It forced me to cancel plans to attend the annual Guan-yin celebration on Putuoshan Island. I have a hard time even imagining what it was like on the coast, where I used to live.

Nonetheless, extreme weather is about the only obvious, immediate effects of climate change that we can directly observe. Virtually everything else is just a matter of a little bit of adjustment.

So, how are governments adjusting to this? Well, we are, indeed, making some slight progress on curbing carbon dioxide emissions, but maybe a more drastic approach might be helpful:


... [C]limate-induced crises could topple governments, feed terrorist movements or destabilize entire regions, say the analysts, experts at the Pentagon and intelligence agencies who for the first time are taking a serious look at the national security implications of climate change.

....

Much of the public and political debate on global warming has focused on finding substitutes for fossil fuels, reducing emissions that contribute to greenhouse gases and furthering negotiations toward an international climate treaty — not potential security challenges.

But a growing number of policy makers say that the world’s rising temperatures, surging seas and melting glaciers are a direct threat to the national interest.

From this article:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/09/science/earth/09climate.html?hpw

Maybe we need to see climate change as a threat to national interests to get us to wake up.




Meanwhile, this still goes on in the world:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090809/ap_on_re_af/af_malawi_mighty_tasty_mice


Malawi, with a population of 12 million, is among the poorest countries in the world, with rampant disease and hunger, aggravated by periodic droughts and crop failure.



I'm not sure if we're going at it like frogs in water or flocks of dodos. Maybe we'll come to our senses and actually survive. But I don't know.

I wonder about humanity sometimes. I really do.

Comments

  • PalzangPalzang Veteran
    edited August 2009
    Me too. Without a clear and present danger that everyone is aware of I can't see people in general driving less or getting more gas efficient cars or turning off lights. Much less governments and big business.

    Palzang
  • fivebellsfivebells Veteran
    edited August 2009
    I hear the frog story isn't really true, though. No matter how slowly you raise the temperature, the frog will start trying to get out, past a certain threshold.
  • PalzangPalzang Veteran
    edited August 2009
    I think we should try it. With Sarah Palin... (just kidding)

    Palzang
  • BrigidBrigid Veteran
    edited August 2009
    ragyaba wrote: »
    By now, probably everyone has heard the story about how a frog will die in boiling water. The story goes like this: if you place a frog in a pot of cool water and then slowly, slowly increase the temperature to the boiling point, the frog will adjust to the rising temperature and will not jump out of the water to save itself. The frog dies.

    Now, I really don't know if this story is true or not. It could be an urban legend. But is has a certain "truthiness" to it. It sounds like it should be true, even though it might not be.

    At any rate, as I look out my window, I can still see the effects of Typhoon Morakot, which recently made landfall in Fujian Province, hundreds of miles away. That was one big, big typhoon!! We've been under the typhoon's influence for more than three days now. It forced me to cancel plans to attend the annual Guan-yin celebration on Putuoshan Island. I have a hard time even imagining what it was like on the coast, where I used to live.

    Nonetheless, extreme weather is about the only obvious, immediate effects of climate change that we can directly observe. Virtually everything else is just a matter of a little bit of adjustment.

    So, how are governments adjusting to this? Well, we are, indeed, making some slight progress on curbing carbon dioxide emissions, but maybe a more drastic approach might be helpful:


    ... [C]limate-induced crises could topple governments, feed terrorist movements or destabilize entire regions, say the analysts, experts at the Pentagon and intelligence agencies who for the first time are taking a serious look at the national security implications of climate change.

    ....

    Much of the public and political debate on global warming has focused on finding substitutes for fossil fuels, reducing emissions that contribute to greenhouse gases and furthering negotiations toward an international climate treaty — not potential security challenges.

    But a growing number of policy makers say that the world’s rising temperatures, surging seas and melting glaciers are a direct threat to the national interest.

    From this article:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/09/science/earth/09climate.html?hpw

    Maybe we need to see climate change as a threat to national interests to get us to wake up.




    Meanwhile, this still goes on in the world:

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090809/ap_on_re_af/af_malawi_mighty_tasty_mice


    Malawi, with a population of 12 million, is among the poorest countries in the world, with rampant disease and hunger, aggravated by periodic droughts and crop failure.



    I'm not sure if we're going at it like frogs in water or flocks of dodos. Maybe we'll come to our senses and actually survive. But I don't know.

    I wonder about humanity sometimes. I really do.
    Hi, Ragyaba.
    Have you seen the doc The 11th Hour? It makes a good case for climate change being a threat not just to national security but global security. I avoided watching it for a very long time until I couldn't rationalize my way out of it any longer. I did the same with Al Gore's doc. Anything to avoid a perceived unpleasant experience. But as with Al Gore's doc (the name of which escapes me at the moment for some reason), The 11th Hour wasn't nearly as painful to watch as I thought it was going to be. It was fascinating, amazingly well done, and extremely informative. If you haven't seen it you'll probably find it as good as I did.
  • edited August 2009
    Brigid wrote: »
    Hi, Ragyaba.
    Have you seen the doc The 11th Hour? It makes a good case for climate change being a threat not just to national security but global security. I avoided watching it for a very long time until I couldn't rationalize my way out of it any longer. I did the same with Al Gore's doc. Anything to avoid a perceived unpleasant experience. But as with Al Gore's doc (the name of which escapes me at the moment for some reason), The 11th Hour wasn't nearly as painful to watch as I thought it was going to be. It was fascinating, amazingly well done, and extremely informative. If you haven't seen it you'll probably find it as good as I did.

    Actually, no, I haven't seen it, but it sounds interesting. Do you know if it can be downloaded?

    I have a slug of doc's that I've collected over the years. This is the most recent one that I've seen, and it's quite good:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00djvq9


    These two about water pollution are also fairly new, and very frightening:

    http://www.bluegold-worldwaterwars.com/

    http://www.flowthefilm.com/


    For more of a political analysis, I've followed Michael Klare for some time. This is his latest book [I have the 2008 version—which is quite good]:

    http://www.amazon.com/Rising-Powers-Shrinking-Planet-Geopolitics/dp/0805089217/



    I remember an old line by Tom Robbins, which I'm sure I will mangle slightly: “The last half of the twentieth century blues. A time when Western Civilization is declining. Entirely too fast for comfort, but too slow to be very interesting.” Unfortunately, we are now in the twenty-first century ... and things are becoming very interesting indeed ...


    It's not like we don't have hope. We do.

    But we're going to be cutting things pretty darn close.


    This is from an article in today's Washington Post about carbon capture in U.S. coal plants:


    The stimulus bill devoted $2.4 billion to pilot projects. On Monday the Obama administration awarded $20 million of that to a program that uses supersonic shockwaves to compress carbon for storage, on top of $408 million in stimulus money awarded to two other cabon pilot projects. It has pledged $1 billion more to a model plant called FutureGen. If the Waxman-Markey climate bill becomes law, a new Carbon Storage Research Corp. would pump another $1.1 billion a year into researching this nascent technology, and first movers would get billions of dollars more in bonus emission allowances that could be sold.

    Coal companies and environmentalists alike are counting on a breakthrough in carbon capture and storage technology to siphon off harmful emissions from the world's coal plants. Coal plants in the United States account for a third of U.S. greenhouse emissions. In the past five years China has brought online coal-fired electricity equal in size to total U.S. installed capacity -- and new plants are coming online in the developing world all the time. Without a breakthrough on coal plants, it may be impossible to meet emission limits climatologists say are needed.


    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/10/AR2009081002709.html?hpid=topnews


    The bold face is not in the original.

    Who knows? We might just get some sort of a technological breakthrough. I would never discount human ingenuity.

    But I don't think that there's much doubt that we're entering into an entirely new stage of evolution. I call it the Age of Limits. Hopefully, we won't end up killing each other over the last barrel of oil on a boiling planet ...
  • edited August 2009
    I am sooooooooooo long-winded.

    I'll shut up now. I promise.
  • BrigidBrigid Veteran
    edited August 2009
    Lol!!
  • BrigidBrigid Veteran
    edited August 2009
    I love docs, Ragyaba.

    Thanks so much for those links. What's even better is that I'm house sitting for my sister and brother-in-law for the next 10 days and they have high speed internet access. At home I have dial-up which precludes me from even watching short videos unless I want to wait an hour for it to download. But here I can explore your links without any frustration. Yayy!

    There are 65 docs on the BBC site alone. I know what I'm doing tonight!
  • edited August 2009
    I like this thread very much and have just one thing to add from my corner - Climate change scares me senseless. I feel powerless to do anything about it and I feel terrible inside when I see extreme weather making people homeless in parts of the world that take a regular thrashing.
  • edited August 2009
    Brigid wrote: »
    I love docs, Ragyaba.

    Thanks so much for those links. What's even better is that I'm house sitting for my sister and brother-in-law for the next 10 days and they have high speed internet access. At home I have dial-up which precludes me from even watching short videos unless I want to wait an hour for it to download. But here I can explore your links without any frustration. Yayy!

    There are 65 docs on the BBC site alone. I know what I'm doing tonight!

    I get most of my docs from the usenet, and I really don't know if you can download or watch from the BBC site. Maybe you can.

    But you can watch a lot of them here:

    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/view/

    And I really liked this one [even though it's off the climate change topic]:

    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/youngchina/


    I'm packing for Putuoshan now. Happy house-sitting!
  • edited August 2009
    sara wrote: »
    I like this thread very much and have just one thing to add from my corner - Climate change scares me senseless. I feel powerless to do anything about it and I feel terrible inside when I see extreme weather making people homeless in parts of the world that take a regular thrashing.

    Just hazarding a guess, of course, but I'd say that the only people who aren't scared senseless are the ones who don't know anything about it.

    Ignorance being ... well, you know ...

    And, yes, it is very difficult to do much of anything about it, directly. I figure that the best thing for me to do is to do what I can ... and what I can't do, I don't sweat. That might not be the best attitude in the world, but, hey, for right now it's about the only thing I can come up with.
  • BrigidBrigid Veteran
    edited August 2009
    ragyaba wrote: »
    I get most of my docs from the usenet, and I really don't know if you can download or watch from the BBC site. Maybe you can.

    But you can watch a lot of them here:

    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/view/

    And I really liked this one [even though it's off the climate change topic]:

    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/youngchina/


    I'm packing for Putuoshan now. Happy house-sitting!
    Thanks, Ragyaba.

    I haven't been to the Frontline site in ages. Thanks for reminding me.

    Where's Putuoshan?
  • jj5jj5 Medford Lakes, N.J. U.S.A. Veteran
    edited August 2009
    Hi Brigid, i was curious also:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Putuo

    :)
  • PalzangPalzang Veteran
    edited August 2009
    So, Ragyaba, it appears you live in China, eh? I guess that explains the Chinese writing in your signature block! Do you live in Shanghai or around there? Just curious. I like meeting people from different places.

    Palzang
  • BrigidBrigid Veteran
    edited August 2009
    jj5 wrote: »
    Hi Brigid, i was curious also:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Putuo

    :)
    Thanks, jj!! Very interesting!
  • edited August 2009
    First, my thanks to fivebells for doing my research for me ... and, in a very kind and indirect manner, pointing out my laziness to me. Even though my attempts to improve myself often turn out to be exercises in futility, I will try to do better in the future.


    And, again, thanks to jj5 for answering a question that I should have anticipated, but clearly didn't. However, the wiki article is pretty scant in it's history. Putuo was mentioned in historical documents way back in the Qin Dynasty, and became a Daoist center until the rise of [Tien Tai] Buddhism in the Tang Dynasty [around 900 CE]. During the Song Dynasty, it became a center of Chan Buddhism, although it was never as important as Hangzhou.

    http://www.amazon.com/Kuan-yin-Ch%C3%83%C2%BCn-fang-Y%C3%83%C2%BC/dp/023112029X/

    There's a nice set of pictures here:

    http://www.travelblog.org/Asia/China/Zhejiang/Putuoshan/blog-38182.html


    Palzang, I've lived in Asia for going on twelve years now, six in Korea, and going on six in China. I live in Jinhua, which is south of Hangzhou, which is, in turn, south of Shanghai. I much prefer Hangzhou.


    And, Brigid, I hope you had/have a chance to watch this one [which is, at least, on topic]:

    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/heat/view/


    And, finally, for those who are interested in trivia, “Putuo” and “Potala” both derive from the same word, “Potokala,” the mythical home of Avalokiteshvara/Guan-yin.

    Although, I have to admit, that only have the pinyin spelling of “Potokala.” There might be a different spelling in standard English. Hey, anybody want to do any research on that?
  • PalzangPalzang Veteran
    edited August 2009
    I found both Potakala and Padmawati as the name of the pure land where Avalokiteshvara was born. In Tibetan it is Potala. In Japanese it is Hodaraku or Futara.

    Palzang
  • edited August 2009
    As long as we are vaguely on the topic of documentaries and the effects of climate change, this is well worth watching:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00m9xjc
  • edited August 2009
    Palzang wrote: »
    I found both Potakala and Padmawati as the name of the pure land where Avalokiteshvara was born. In Tibetan it is Potala. In Japanese it is Hodaraku or Futara.

    Palzang

    Thank you very much.

    It would have taken me forever to find that out on my own.
  • PalzangPalzang Veteran
    edited August 2009
    Well, they call me "The Finder" at my temple because whenever they want something researched, they come to me. I guess my brain thinks like a computer, sort of like "D.A.R.Y.L.", if you saw that movie...

    Palzang-o-mat
  • edited August 2009
    James Lovelock—I hope that most people know who James Lovelock is—was recently interviewed by the BBC. Here's the teaser:

    “James Lovelock is a celebrated scientist and writer.

    He founded the Gaia theory - the idea that the planet acts like a single organism.

    He has long spoken of Mans "unsustainable exploitation" of the planet and the grave consequences that will follow.

    Now ninety years old, he describes his latest book as a final warning on the fate of the planet.

    Stephen Sackur asks him if humanity is likely to heed that warning. ”


    Link to Lovelock's interview:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/hardtalk/8206892.stm


    A bit of a warning: this is not for the squeamish.
  • BrigidBrigid Veteran
    edited August 2009
    Thanks, Ragyaba. I'm going to watch it.
  • BrigidBrigid Veteran
    edited August 2009
    Ooops! I pressed 'Post Quick Reply' too soon.

    I just finished watching the doc "Garbage Warrior" about Michael Reynolds. Fantastic! Just amazing.
  • edited August 2009
    Part two of "The Future of Food" is now available:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00m9xjc
  • edited September 2009
    Hi Guys, I'm new to this site. I am a lay buddhist living in queensland australia. I am also very worried about the effect of climate change and have studies the subject for a number of years. I think the buddhist veiwpoint on this subject is very important since trying to live a live based on buddhist principles we tend to see the world as it it and not as we would like it to be..can be a pain in the butt at times but at least people trust what you say. This phenomoneon is unprecedented in the history of mankind and so the buddhist tenets dont seem to give an clear idea on how to approach this. "Everything is perfect just as it is"..I am probably not spiritually aware enough to take this teaching fully on board yet when the effects of climate change are everywhere. I have a 4 y/o son and wish to give him the quality of environment I grew up with. My natural reaction is to fight against it and do all I can to help the planet..maybe a better way might be to say I am doing all I can to improve the quality of the enviroment..but either way I feel I am losing an unwinnable battle..can you guys give some glimmer of hope..Thanks!
  • SimonthepilgrimSimonthepilgrim Veteran
    edited September 2009
    G'day Lawrence,

    I do sympathise with the feeling of an unwinable battle - I sometimes feel the same when I look at my grandchildren and realise that I shall not have achieved my ambition to leave the world better than I found it. It must be even harden in Oz with your scary drought and fires.

    What I do is, quite simply, whatever I can, at home and locally. More widely, I make a nuisance of myself to my (excellent) M.P. and local polluters. Do what you can. Think globally and act locally. And bring up your children to understand they are caretakers of the earth, teach them to cultivate the garden and to love the ground on which they stand.
  • edited September 2009
    I have been trying to be a nuisance to our local mp and myself and others have helped change our local supermarket from selling both CFLights and incandescents to now just compact flouros. But then month our local pineapple farmer down the road cleared about 200acres of land and spent the last week burning off the remaining trees on that land..hundreds of tonnes of CO2 just entered the atmosphere. I keep asking myself why aren't more people aware of the zen saying."there is no tree stupid enough that it's branches fight amongst themselves". We have a huge job in front of us to try to educate people..leading by example is one important step..but it takes forever..and we haven't got forever! I feel a more proactive role for buddhists alike to try to lift the stubborn veil of ignorance in front of people's eyes. In your opinoin does the average buddhist really comprehend the danger of climate change?
    Thanks STP
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