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Howdy all! Has anyone heard if the court cases about Prop 8 in California will be televised on TV not just You Tube and the like? We can watch cases such as OJ that affect so few, but when Prop 8 will be proven to be bigotry, we can't show that! If anyone knows, let me know. Been taking care of me as best I can as of recent. See new post.
Howdy all! Has anyone heard if the court cases about Prop 8 in California will be televised on TV not just You Tube and the like? We can watch cases such as OJ that affect so few, but when Prop 8 will be proven to be bigotry, we can't show that! If anyone knows, let me know. Been taking care of me as best I can as of recent. See new post.
Hi Jer,
From what I've heard on the news (for whatever that's worth), the problem is that some of the people testifying don't want their identities revealed to millions of people. We still do live in a repressive society for gay people, ya know.
Though true, gay people must realize we have to stand up for ourselves. I can see where African Americans say their struggle is different. I'm not afraid to be out and say what I think. Maybe my friends who died years ago might not have if there were other options back then. My thing is that if anyone who is not willing to stand up for their rights don't want them bad enough. I've been insulted, beaten up, discriminated against and treated as a second class citizen for too long. As my buddy Jason said so succinctly, forget discrimination! But it will take work on the LGBT community's part also. It will not be given to us for hiding. African American's couldn't hide. But as one can recall, Rosa Parks didn't sit on the back of the bus either. My partner points out at his job how often he is not paid equally because he can not get me on his insurance when my medical bills are more than anyone else's spouse in the office. There is a part of me that thinks if you are unwilling to stick up for your rights, why do you deserve them? I've been out for over a decade and it was a battle for me after the church brainwashed me. I get the struggle, but I'm freer for being honest than hiding. I lost a lot, but kept my self respect.
From my compassionate side, it stinks we're held hostage in our own country and told we don't deserve any better. My parents never accepted my being gay. I heard why I deserved no special rights, but don't come home with AIDS! Part of the anger I feel I try to use to help other gay people out of the closet and accept themselves. They have to do the rest themselves.
But will all the bigots be shown? That's what I want to know! They get to hide also which reminds me of Bush/Cheney and 9/11 and subsequent wars! If you won't admit to what you've said and done, why do you deserve any respect (and in the case of Bush/Cheney, any benefits)
From what I've heard on the news (for whatever that's worth), the problem is that some of the people testifying don't want their identities revealed to millions of people. We still do live in a repressive society for gay people, ya know.
I'm kinda confused here, because I signed a petition the other day in support of having the trial televised. My understanding was that the people in support of banning gay marriage were trying to block the trial from being televised. I assumed this was correct, because those types of people generally don't have very good arguments that would stand up to critical analysis.
I'm just repeating what I heard on NPR news. Whether it's true or not, I don't know. If it is true, I can sympathize. Those who testify in support of repealing Prop 8 would be exposing themselves to threats and abuse from all the hatemongers out there.
Pally,
That's the risk. I'm lucky in the fact that I'm a big man and many are surprised when they find out that I am gay. I lost an inch after my back surgery and still stand 6'1". On the tall side. I so empathize with gay people who can not hide and have to live it every day. I am out for them also. The Stonewall riots taught gay people to stand up for themselves. It seems that lesson has been lost and we need to relearn it, besides a yearly pride parade.
AIDS taught the gay community how to fight for ourselves. Some of the techniques were terrifying to many but it got the point across. It's another 20 years and it's time to stand up and fight again. I don't know if you ever read about the gay groups that felt militancy and learning how to be soldiers might be in our best interest, not only a fashion statement. I still don't think that is the best way, but fighting for ourselves is always a good idea.
Sure, we want to be respected, but there is a way to do so without being doormats. Detroit isn't as accepting or "metropolitan" as they would like to think. After working down in Detroit trying to help people, I learned that when someone asked me the million dollar question, to not answer since my employer threatened to write me up for it. I should have resigned then, but needed the money. The nurse's aides told all my patients families whatever they wanted to know about me and that was okay, but if I said it, it was inappropriate. "Are you married?" No. "Why not? You're in your 40's" I've been instructed by my employer not to discuss anything about my private life but if you really want to know ask the nurse's aide. She has more right to talk about me than anyone else. I said that because I knew she could tell them what I wasn't allowed to. A hard way to get the truth out so they couldn't say they never ran into a gay man. But I wanted them to know that a gay man existed that could care just as much as anyone and sometimes more. I don't know what I will do in retrospect, except not do homecare.
I had gay people try to tell me they were gay and was polite about it and let them tell me what they felt they could. I didn't mention my own life which was tough but a good lesson. In the hospitals I never mentioned it. I can hear about how wonder Rush Limbaugh, George W., Pat Robertson and the like are all day long, but can't say that I have a relationship with someone that I love very much and the feeling is mutual.
Being out is everyone's decision. But if you're going to court to fight for your rights, you should expect to be drawn at least. Why in today's world would you expect not to be televised? Trashier people are on many shows when someone is trying to say "I'm gay. I deserve to be treated equally based on the constitution. Not because some bigot doesn't like how some gay people express themselves." I feel for the bigotry they may experience but I am not immune from it either. I'm still willing to speak out though. The partner and I will probably go apply for a marriage license on 2/14/10 fully expecting to be turned down. But someone has to get the ball rolling.
"I'm gay. I deserve to be treated equally based on the constitution. Not because some bigot doesn't like how some gay people express themselves."
Thank you for posting this. It reminded me why I'm out of the closet. It's always nice to hear from someone in the same situation... I'm tired of hearing "You're bi? but yo look so normal." *sigh*
For the record big up support your thoughts on this! I'm a little embarrassed to admit this this but i must here goes- i'm married.;) Actually she treats me good.
I heard a report on NPR this morning on the way to work about the situation in Uganda where some hate-mongering parliamentarian has proposed a bill which would impose the death penalty for gays and lesbians. What I didn't know is that this whole thing originated with US evangelicals who have been in Africa pushing their anti-gay lies and hatred. They get ignored here, so they go to Africa where they can exploit their ignorance and prejudice. Unfortunately the Africans are too unsophisticated to see through their lies and so take them at face value. Now some of the evangelicals are coming out against this law - months after it was first announced and only after it aroused a storm of fury - and even then many of the Xian organizations most active in Uganda have not said anything! As someone said, it's like lighting candles in a room filled with explosives and then saying, "I never intended there to be an explosion!"
Blueface,
Good for you!!! I'm so happy you're happy with your wife. Many people don't get that my partner and I love each other and are happy with each other. I don't recruit people as it doesn't pay well ( I only charge a billion per person as it is an extensive process that won't work in the long run. The hatemongering evangelicals tried to make me straight and it didn't work. They definitely were recruiting). Make sure to hug her, kiss her and tell her how much you love her every day. It makes life so much better and she'll know you appreciate her. I'm actually learning how to cook so my partner won't have to. I was never taught so the "Joy of Cooking" is my teacher. I hope I don't poison my partner accidentally.
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You may laugh being far away in the great white north
Damn social marixst globalisation....
Hi Jer,
From what I've heard on the news (for whatever that's worth), the problem is that some of the people testifying don't want their identities revealed to millions of people. We still do live in a repressive society for gay people, ya know.
Palzang
From my compassionate side, it stinks we're held hostage in our own country and told we don't deserve any better. My parents never accepted my being gay. I heard why I deserved no special rights, but don't come home with AIDS! Part of the anger I feel I try to use to help other gay people out of the closet and accept themselves. They have to do the rest themselves.
But will all the bigots be shown? That's what I want to know! They get to hide also which reminds me of Bush/Cheney and 9/11 and subsequent wars! If you won't admit to what you've said and done, why do you deserve any respect (and in the case of Bush/Cheney, any benefits)
brian
Palzang
That's the risk. I'm lucky in the fact that I'm a big man and many are surprised when they find out that I am gay. I lost an inch after my back surgery and still stand 6'1". On the tall side. I so empathize with gay people who can not hide and have to live it every day. I am out for them also. The Stonewall riots taught gay people to stand up for themselves. It seems that lesson has been lost and we need to relearn it, besides a yearly pride parade.
AIDS taught the gay community how to fight for ourselves. Some of the techniques were terrifying to many but it got the point across. It's another 20 years and it's time to stand up and fight again. I don't know if you ever read about the gay groups that felt militancy and learning how to be soldiers might be in our best interest, not only a fashion statement. I still don't think that is the best way, but fighting for ourselves is always a good idea.
Sure, we want to be respected, but there is a way to do so without being doormats. Detroit isn't as accepting or "metropolitan" as they would like to think. After working down in Detroit trying to help people, I learned that when someone asked me the million dollar question, to not answer since my employer threatened to write me up for it. I should have resigned then, but needed the money. The nurse's aides told all my patients families whatever they wanted to know about me and that was okay, but if I said it, it was inappropriate. "Are you married?" No. "Why not? You're in your 40's" I've been instructed by my employer not to discuss anything about my private life but if you really want to know ask the nurse's aide. She has more right to talk about me than anyone else. I said that because I knew she could tell them what I wasn't allowed to. A hard way to get the truth out so they couldn't say they never ran into a gay man. But I wanted them to know that a gay man existed that could care just as much as anyone and sometimes more. I don't know what I will do in retrospect, except not do homecare.
I had gay people try to tell me they were gay and was polite about it and let them tell me what they felt they could. I didn't mention my own life which was tough but a good lesson. In the hospitals I never mentioned it. I can hear about how wonder Rush Limbaugh, George W., Pat Robertson and the like are all day long, but can't say that I have a relationship with someone that I love very much and the feeling is mutual.
Being out is everyone's decision. But if you're going to court to fight for your rights, you should expect to be drawn at least. Why in today's world would you expect not to be televised? Trashier people are on many shows when someone is trying to say "I'm gay. I deserve to be treated equally based on the constitution. Not because some bigot doesn't like how some gay people express themselves." I feel for the bigotry they may experience but I am not immune from it either. I'm still willing to speak out though. The partner and I will probably go apply for a marriage license on 2/14/10 fully expecting to be turned down. But someone has to get the ball rolling.
Thank you for posting this. It reminded me why I'm out of the closet. It's always nice to hear from someone in the same situation... I'm tired of hearing "You're bi? but yo look so normal." *sigh*
Palzang
Good for you!!! I'm so happy you're happy with your wife. Many people don't get that my partner and I love each other and are happy with each other. I don't recruit people as it doesn't pay well ( I only charge a billion per person as it is an extensive process that won't work in the long run. The hatemongering evangelicals tried to make me straight and it didn't work. They definitely were recruiting). Make sure to hug her, kiss her and tell her how much you love her every day. It makes life so much better and she'll know you appreciate her. I'm actually learning how to cook so my partner won't have to. I was never taught so the "Joy of Cooking" is my teacher. I hope I don't poison my partner accidentally.