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Pali in Kharosthi script for a tattoo

edited November 2009 in General Banter
<!-- / icon and title --><!-- message -->Hello everyone!

So...i have been looking for days now for the dhammapada verse 174 in Pali Kharosthi/maybe Brahmi scripts.. I just can't find it anywhere. It's for a tattoo i'm really looking forward to get.. although, it's gonna be hard getting it if i don't even have the script.

Does anyone have what i'm looking for, or know where to find it? I'm very thankful for any help i might get!

One more thing: the reason i choose kharosthi/Brahmi scripts for The pali tattoo is because i've heard thoose 2 are the oldest SCRIPTS and were to be written in Pali in ancient times? Am i right? (When they first started to write pali they wrote it with kharosthi/Brahmi scripts so to say)? I want it as "real" as it can get - so if it's the oldest script and from india, it's good. :)

Linn

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  • edited October 2009
    <!-- / icon and title --><!-- message -->Hello everyone!

    So...i have been looking for days now for the dhammapada verse 174 in Pali Kharosthi/maybe Brahmi scripts.. I just can't find it anywhere. It's for a tattoo i'm really looking forward to get.. although, it's gonna be hard getting it if i don't even have the script.

    Does anyone have what i'm looking for, or know where to find it? I'm very thankful for any help i might get!

    One more thing: the reason i choose kharosthi/Brahmi scripts for The pali tattoo is because i've heard thoose 2 are the oldest SCRIPTS and were to be written in Pali in ancient times? Am i right? (When they first started to write pali they wrote it with kharosthi/Brahmi scripts so to say)? I want it as "real" as it can get - so if it's the oldest script and from india, it's good. :)

    Linn

    Hi Linn,

    I responded to a similar question of yours in another thread but I think this is the most appropriate thread to discuss this. As I said in my other post, King Ashoka's edicts were published on rocks pillars throughout his kingdom in the Brahmi script. When I was considering tattooing some text on my back, the Brahmi script was my first choice but unfortunately, I wasn't able to find any Pali suttas in this script. That is why I chose the Devanagari script - which post dates the Brahmi script well over 1,000 years later. Clearly the first Buddhist suttas were not written using the Devanagari script. There is a great article on King Ashoka here and it is also interesting to note that a few of his edicts that have been found were inscribed in Greek and Aramaic as his empire spread to the west meeting the Greek empire in the Ghandaran region (modern Afghanistan).

    Being of Greek descent, I find the Greeks' involvement in Buddhism fascinating as this article also mentions that many Greeks living in contact with the Indian empire converted to Buddhism. In fact, the Theravadin Buddhist suttas contain a sutta called The Milindapanha which details a debate between a Greek King and a Buddhist Monk resulting in the King's conversion to Buddhism. Down the road from where I live, there is an antiquities dealer which has Ghandaran pieces including Buddha heads and other sculptures. The Greeks were in fact one of the first cultures to create sculptures of the Buddha. My wish is to one day buy one of these 2,000 year-old Buddha heads sculpted by some Greek hand all those thousands of years ago but at about $2,000 a pop for something that is just going to sit there, I have a lot of saving up to do before I can afford one!

    Well, I have digressed enough for one post! I hope you find the material interesting and I recommend that you look at the article I have linked above as it contains a few pictures of King Ashoka's edicts in the Brahmi script.

    Kind Regards,

    Vangelis
  • edited October 2009
    Thankyou for your answer! Alot has happened since i first wrote the post.
    It was indeed an interesting article, which makes me want the script in Brahmi even more :)

    As i said, alot has happened, one thing - i found a sort of converter, you cat get a roman pali verse into brahmi, i'm just insecure it really "works" - i mean, i downloaded the fonts that was needed, and the converter - tried everything out. But what i still don't understand, (since i don't know anything about how scripts are used), is, with the converter it gets the correct brahmi script, by translating letter by letter from pali roman? cause when you look at f.ex http://www.ancientscripts.com/brahmi.html There's letter combinations like "tha" and "ma" that has ONE symbol, and, with the converter, i don't see any symbol changes when such lettercombinations is written.. there - there's just simply letter by letter , no combinations turning to ONE symbol.. Maybe that's how the script is used to write languages, just letter by letter? Also, i'm wondering .. if this "script" that they've created really are like the ancient brahmi scripts? I mean, does it look the same, is it "spelled"? the same - same "meanings" of the letters and so on. Maybe you don't know much about transliterating :) Anyway - here's the converter and so on if anybody's interested http://brahmiscript.googlepages.com/

    If i'm not gonna use the converter, i'm getting the script in Tamil, but on THAT site, there's like numbers and stuff between the symbols http://www.tipitaka.org/taml/cscd/s0502m.mul8.xml haha, what are they doing there, do they have a purpose, or can i just take the numbers away?? I hope so.. haha

    Wow, i guess you'd have to save money for a few years to afford one of those :) It would be really cool though to have one. So everyday you walk by the statues you're like "gotta save money..!"? haha :)

    hoh..Looong mail.
    Vangelis wrote: »
    Hi Linn,

    I responded to a similar question of yours in another thread but I think this is the most appropriate thread to discuss this. As I said in my other post, King Ashoka's edicts were published on rocks pillars throughout his kingdom in the Brahmi script. When I was considering tattooing some text on my back, the Brahmi script was my first choice but unfortunately, I wasn't able to find any Pali suttas in this script. That is why I chose the Devanagari script - which post dates the Brahmi script well over 1,000 years later. Clearly the first Buddhist suttas were not written using the Devanagari script. There is a great article on King Ashoka here and it is also interesting to note that a few of his edicts that have been found were inscribed in Greek and Aramaic as his empire spread to the west meeting the Greek empire in the Ghandaran region (modern Afghanistan).

    Being of Greek descent, I find the Greeks' involvement in Buddhism fascinating as this article also mentions that many Greeks living in contact with the Indian empire converted to Buddhism. In fact, the Theravadin Buddhist suttas contain a sutta called The Milindapanha which details a debate between a Greek King and a Buddhist Monk resulting in the King's conversion to Buddhism. Down the road from where I live, there is an antiquities dealer which has Ghandaran pieces including Buddha heads and other sculptures. The Greeks were in fact one of the first cultures to create sculptures of the Buddha. My wish is to one day buy one of these 2,000 year-old Buddha heads sculpted by some Greek hand all those thousands of years ago but at about $2,000 a pop for something that is just going to sit there, I have a lot of saving up to do before I can afford one!

    Well, I have digressed enough for one post! I hope you find the material interesting and I recommend that you look at the article I have linked above as it contains a few pictures of King Ashoka's edicts in the Brahmi script.

    Kind Regards,

    Vangelis
  • edited October 2009
    Thankyou for your answer! Alot has happened since i first wrote the post.
    It was indeed an interesting article, which makes me want the script in Brahmi even more :)
    Yes, Brahmi was my first choice but I gave up finding the text I was looking for in the Brahmi script.
    As i said, alot has happened, one thing - i found a sort of converter, you cat get a roman pali verse into brahmi, i'm just insecure it really "works" - i mean, i downloaded the fonts that was needed, and the converter - tried everything out. But what i still don't understand, (since i don't know anything about how scripts are used), is, with the converter it gets the correct brahmi script, by translating letter by letter from pali roman? cause when you look at f.ex http://www.ancientscripts.com/brahmi.html There's letter combinations like "tha" and "ma" that has ONE symbol, and, with the converter, i don't see any symbol changes when such lettercombinations is written.. there - there's just simply letter by letter , no combinations turning to ONE symbol.. Maybe that's how the script is used to write languages, just letter by letter? Also, i'm wondering .. if this "script" that they've created really are like the ancient brahmi scripts? I mean, does it look the same, is it "spelled"? the same - same "meanings" of the letters and so on. Maybe you don't know much about transliterating :) Anyway - here's the converter and so on if anybody's interested http://brahmiscript.googlepages.com/
    I saw the converter too but like you, I was somewhat unsure of the accuracy of the converter.
    If i'm not gonna use the converter, i'm getting the script in Tamil, but on THAT site, there's like numbers and stuff between the symbols http://www.tipitaka.org/taml/cscd/s0502m.mul8.xml haha, what are they doing there, do they have a purpose, or can i just take the numbers away?? I hope so.. haha

    Wow, i guess you'd have to save money for a few years to afford one of those :) It would be really cool though to have one. So everyday you walk by the statues you're like "gotta save money..!"? haha :)

    hoh..Looong mail.

    Haha - obviously you have a lot to say! But I think you are right in taking your time to get your tattoo just right. After all, it will be with you for a long time.

    Cheers,

    Vangelis
  • edited November 2009
    Cool!:D
  • Hello. I realise this post is a bit old, but did anyone find any script help? I'm looking for the following words in Devanagari/Pali text. If anyone can help, I'd really appreciate it. Thanks in advance.

    Sila, Samardhi, Panna, Anicca, Dhamma

    Chris
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